On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 20:09 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Miguel and Michael have done remarkable jobs in many situations, and > as such deserve a lot of praise for those jobs. > > This one, however, is not a remarkable job and deserves critic.
It's not about praise or doing a remarkable job. It's about respect. May I suggest that the rest of discussion in this thread be moved out of foundation-list? I don't think it's relevant to the foundation anymore. behdad > Regards, > Rui > > ps: is how can we do autoSpaceLikeWord95 a snide remark? Is 2004/48/EC > a snide remark? all those things will affect us (you're from Europe, > right?) very soon. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 04:05:48PM +0200, Christian F.K. Schaller wrote: > > Hi Rui, > > I just read through this whole thread from start to finish after having > > gotten a little behind on my email. > > > > Personally the ODF versus OOXML discussion is only of secondary interest > > to me, but one thing struck me through this whole debate. Rui, it is > > fine to disagree with Miguel and Michael about the qualities or lack of > > such of the OOXML specification. But I don't think the kind of rude > > personal attacks and snide remarks you been targeting at Miguel and > > Michael throughout this discussion belong anywhere. Miguel and Michael > > have each done more for free software than most of us can even hope to > > aspire to, and thus trying to smear them only makes you look bad and for > > people to consider your arguments to be without merit. > > > > I assume the reason this debate is on the gnome foundation list is > > because there is a wish to have the GNOME foundation come out stronger > > in favour of ODF. But if that is the goal I think a more professional > > attitude is a better tool, as the current badmouthing do not entice me > > at least, to get stronger GNOME endorsement ODF. > > > > Christian > > > > On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 21:34 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 03:37:06PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > Also, why do you say the format is open? Can you tell me how > > > > > > > Word95 does > > > > > > > auto-space ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me how ODF lays out paragraphs or does > > > > > > line-breaking or > > > > > > wraps text to shaped embedded objects or ... ? > > > > > > > > > > Nothing in OOXML spec explains how Word95 does autospace, so how can a > > > > > full implementation of OOXML respect that tag's meaning? > > > > > > > > The topic is addressed here: > > > > > > > > http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2007/01/09/specifying-the-document-settings.aspx > > > > > > "Use OpenOffice.org 1.1 line spacing" this argument is funny, and was > > > addressed at the Portuguese Technical Commission. > > > > > > There is an essential difference between > > > SecretRuleYouCan'tKnowOfProductFuBar and > > > UnderSpecifiedRuleYouCanReadSourceCodeToCompleteKnowledge > > > > > > > And it addresses in particular the issue of whether it should be removed > > > > or not. > > > > > > Nice, just another repeatition the argument of "legacy". What about > > > KWord? Can it support legacy formats, or is legacy only for Microsoft? > > > > > > If it's only for Microsoft (since KWord most definitely can't do it), > > > then how can it be part of an open standard? > > > > > > > Of course this is my position on technical merits, others implementors > > > > might have other views. On political and activist grounds you might > > > > also reach different conclusions, but I will find it difficult in the > > > > future to say with a straight face in court "well, they did not specify > > > > enough, so this format created lock-in". > > > > > > > > > Specially from people who work for a company that is strategically > > > > > aligned with Microsoft. > > > > > > > > Ah, the old guilt by association way of constructing a logical argument. > > > > Always a fine choice. > > > > > > Well, pot, meet kettle. However, you are the one who said almost word > > > for word what another Microsoft employee said at the Portuguese Meeting. > > > > > > It's fortunate that he didn't speak Portuguese, this is how I could tell > > > you used almost word for word what he said. Do they give lectures on how > > > to answer? I'm curious :) > > > > > > Rui > > > > > -- > Frink! > Today is Boomtime, the 66th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3173 > + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown > + Whatever you do will be insignificant, > | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi > + So let's do it...? > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 _______________________________________________ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list