And if you find a solution, remember to let us know! On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:32 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:
> I will try both of those suggestions. I have multiple copies of this O&M > manual (and many others) I can experiment with and import from. That is > especially a good point about the current TOC file. It may be corrupt or > have some odd issue with it. I forget that this isn't the wider Adobe > FrameMaker community and am familiar with Barb Binder and Klaus Daube--I've > gotten some good info from them. > > Thank you again for your suggestions. I will see what works. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers <framers-bounces+matt.harrington.contractor= > usap....@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:54 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue > in FM-generated PDF > > Huh. At this point, I'd try two things. First is a MIF wash of the TOC > file, then a regeneration of the PDF. If that doesn't fix it, I'd suggest > deleting the current TOC file (from the book and disk) and recreating it > from scratch and see if it works correctly. (I hope you have a TOC template > somewhere with the correct paragraph formats and reference page that you > can import from.) > > If that still doesn't work, I would suggest posting to the Adobe > FrameMaker community. I'm there, too, but there are lots of people who dig > far further into the esoterica of FM also there, such as Barb Binder and > Matt Sullivan and Klaus Daube, who may have an idea of what's causing this. > > At this point, without actually seeing the files in question, I can't > visualize things well enough to help, and I'm sorry about that. > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually > sometimes. > > > > What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures, > > List of Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same > > as you described they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the > > invisible boxes it changes from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon. > > I can right-click and get the 'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options. > > From there, yes, I do go to the Action tab to make any adjustments. > > > > But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If I > > right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like > > 'Add Sticky Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand Tool', > etc. > > While it might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm > > file is not doing something that the PDF needs to create the TOC > > links, since the links are created for the other three and they work > > in both Acrobat and Foxit. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+matt.harrington.contractor= > > usap....@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents > > issue in FM-generated PDF > > > > OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF > > files in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option > > to edit the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is > > shown. By default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to > Invisible Rectangle. > > If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, > > but that isn't necessary to edit the link. > > > > If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the > > Actions box and add a different link using the Add an Action, which is > > what it sounds like you're trying to do? > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > > > Hi Lin, > > > > > > Much thanks for the responses. > > > > > > To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under > > > the Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you > > > mentioned were already selected as you described (under the > > > 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers > > > already under the "Include Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF > > > Bookmarks checked. I believe the hierarchy is correct (our layout > > > and naming might look a little odd, but they work for our purposes) : > > > Heading 1 > > > Heading 1 Appen > > > Heading 1 Desc > > > Heading 1 Intro > > > Heading 1 Sys > > > .Heading 2 > > > .Heading 2TOC Special > > > ..Heading 3 > > > ...Heading 4 > > > Etc. > > > The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to > > > add new ones, change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF). > > > > > > In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am > > > having in the PDF is that unlike the List of Tables, List of > > > Figures, and the Index, the TOC does not seem to want to generate > > > the links (as bounding boxes) in the first place to the headers in > > > the body. I would have to use the crosshair and draw one around every > single entry! > > > > > > Since it works in the other three FM files (LOT, LOF, Index), I was > > > thinking something must not be set correctly in my TOC file in > > FrameMaker. > > > However, when I compare the LOT, LOF, and Index against the TOC via > > > Format > > > > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box, they all *appear* to be set up > > > > the > > > same way. For one section in the both the bookmarks and the TOC, the > > > reason we need to use the links that are automaticaly generated is > > > to open folders just outside of the PDF that contain a bunch of > > > large PDFs so are engineers can access supplemental info. Yes, > convoluted. > > > :-) > > > > > > Something must not be set correctly. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+matt.harrington.contractor= > > > usap....@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 12:34 PM > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > Subject: [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: [Framers] Table of Contents > > > issue in FM-generated PDF > > > > > > > > > OK, now I'm not sure I read your email right. > > > > > > You are generating both PDF bookmarks and hyperlinks for the TOC to > > > the headings in the document, correct? And then you want to edit > > > where the links from the TOC entries go to in the document using > > > Acrobat Pro even though they are already linked to the heading in the > document? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > > > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Framers, > > > > > > > > I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table > > > > of contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? > > > > Maybe this is the way PDFs have always worked when generated from > > > > Adobe FrameMaker, but my use of FM is intermittent, so I don't > > > > remember. I have been scouring the Internet on and off over > > > > several days seeking a solution, but coming up empty. > > > > > > > > So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document > > > > to a PDF using 'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all > > > > of its entries into hyperlinks to those headings throughout the > > > > document (much as bookmarks generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF). > > > > In both Adobe Acrobat Pro DC and in Foxit PhantomPDF I can then go > > > > to Edit [PDF] > Link and click the 'Add/Edit Web or Document Link' > > > > function, which highlights every entry in the TOC with a nice > > > > bounding box. I can then modify where they link by making changes > > > > in right-click > > > Properties. > > > > > > > > A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445 > > > > to FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10 > > > > laptop in both cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not > > > > use it). Even under FM 12, I don't believe the generated PDF would > > > > let me to do what I described above with its generated PDF opened > > > > in Adobe > > Acrobat. > > > > Instead, it seemed like I was only able to do those things with > > > > Foxit PhantomPDF. For a large document, containing hundreds of > > > > headings this > > > is a HUGE timesaver. > > > > > > > > However, under FM 16, it appears I can't get the TOC bounding > > > > boxes even with Foxit PhantomPDF. None of the settings under the > 'PDF' > > > > option under the FM Publish function jump out as the issue-though > > > > I do not know if clicking either "Create Tagged PDF" (section 508 > > > > stuff) or "Use Acrobat Distiller for PDF generation" would fix this. > > > > Oddly, when I click that 'Edit > Link' function in either Adobe > > > > Acrobat Pro DC or in Foxit PhantomPDF, I do get the bounding boxes > > > > in my List of Figures, List of Tables, and Index. This makes me > > > > inclined to think it may be more of a TOC setting in FrameMaker, > > > > but I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Matt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > _______________________________________________ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > _______________________________________________ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims _______________________________________________ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com