Hello!

On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Nov 29, did you not say:

"I'm still wondering why OpenSSH is _so_ inferior to SSH.COM's ssh2 (which is also open-source)?"...?

Yes, I did. And no, I didn't say anything about either licensing or OSI Open Source.

David Adam then asked "Is it really open-source?"; while you responded to this question, your answer was misleading. The commercial version of SSH publishes their source code, but that source code is not usable by many people because of the restriction against commercial use. Specifically, the answer to the question David asked is "no": the F-Secure/SSH Communications version of SSH is not "OSI Open Source", per OSD #6.

  David didn't mention OSI at all, you do.

2) We _aren't_ in @opensource.org mailing list hierarchy - it's FreeBSD
maillist, and I hope I'm free to _not_ submit anything to opensource.org's
   consideration, and just to express my opinion instead.

While you are free to have an opinion about factual issues [1], if you insist upon expressing an opinion which contradicts the facts (ie, such as claiming that the SSH.COM license is "open-source"), you can expect people to disagree with you by pointing out the relevant facts.

  I do insist on using the English word 'open' in it's vocabulary meaning
(open == NOT closed; you _can_ see the sources for free), and yes, it's
perfectly normal when people disagree with me ;)

As for submitting anything to the OSI mailing list: if you refrain from claiming that a proprietary license is "open source", then have no concern.

On the other hand, the OSI board does contact sites which misuse the OSI Open Source trademark to claim their proprietary software complies with the Open

  I don't use, abuse or misuse "the OSI Open Source trademark". You just can't
restrict the use of the English word "open", "open-source" etc, can you?!

-Chuck

[1]: Oddly enough, many people think so highly of their own opinions that they choose to ignore facts which contradict their opinions.

  I think my opinion deserves expressing here, and you have no facts that
make me think otherwise. I think restricting the use of the phrase
'open-source' just to the OSI-blessed meaning looks the same as
patenting mouse doubleclick by Microsoft ;)

Sincerely, Dmitry
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