Has any FreeDOS user ever dualbooted with Knoppix (DSL)? > From: [email protected] > Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 382, Issue 1 > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 13:01:57 +0000 > > Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Someone) > 2. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Mike Eriksen) > 3. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Ulrich Hansen) > 4. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (4625) > 5. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (4625) > 6. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Ulrich Hansen) > 7. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (4625) > 8. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Ulrich Hansen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:53:35 -0700 > From: Someone <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 23:10 -0300, Alain Mouette wrote: > > I completly disagree. > > > > Just today I installed FreeDOS on a brand new Asus board with SATA2 a > > gigabit ethernet chip. > > > > Simple: go to www.netbootdisk.com and create a floppy. After it boots > > and detects the NIC, copy it's driver including packet driver. Easy... > > > > The truth is that if you have an application that is worth using with > > FreeDOS, drivers exist :) > > > > And it is damn fast > > > > Alain > > Command line Linux tuned properly is also fast where Linux supports more > network cards than Freedos does. Another problem, how did you find out > that there is a driver for your particular card? For Linux users, the > kernel supports a lot of network cards straight off. > > Does Freedos support common nics such as: > > Netgear Fa311/Fa312? > > Thuderlan dual port 10/100 nics? > > AOpen nics? > > Tulip nics? > > Other nics? > > I stand by my statement that TCP/IP and DOS are probably not the best > combination. DOS does not protect the hardware from programs that > execute, because it can't. DOS cannot stop viruses/worms very easily > because it doesn't shield the hardware in the first place. This is > all the more reason to avoid connecting to global networks from a > DOS based environment. > > How about DOSbox, Virtualbox, and VMWARE nics? Can Freedos use any > virtual NICS? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:32:20 +0200 > From: Mike Eriksen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Someone <[email protected]> wrote: > > I question whether TCP/IP is the best way to go in a DOS environment. > > That depend on your needs. Been a member of the Thinstation Linux thin > client team, I have all the lightweight Linux I could wish. My > original need came from the need to BIOS upgrade a floppyless Ubuntu > box. I ended up by adding the DOS flash program and the BIOS image to > a Balder image, make an ISO of it and problem solved. Not very > elegant. So I decided to explore if I could make a boot floppy with > USB support so I could put the flash program and BIOS image on a > writable device and not have to create a new ISO every time (not that > it happens often, but now it got a pet project). > > Having reached this, I wanted more: the ability to download the flash > program and the image directly with wget or even a text browser. This > is a bit hard to accomplish without TCP/IP :-) I've put the network > stack, applications and packet drivers on the floppy due to size > restriction on the floppy. It isn't quite working yet, but I think I > just need to put a bit more time into it. I see no fundamental > obstacles now. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:16:46 +0200 > From: Ulrich Hansen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Am 07.08.2010 03:22, schrieb Someone: > > Command line linux is much easier to network than freedos and there is a > > lot of utility to it. > > You are right. There is no doubt that GNU/Linux is much better > equipped for networking than (Free)DOS. GNU/Linux also runs on old > hardware, although it can be difficult (and painfully slow) to > install. Modern installers need a lot of resources. I run Debian (Dual > boot with FreeDOS) on some 486SX with 20 MB RAM so I know something > about that. > > > Companies aren't releasing dos drivers > > This is not necessarily true. Two weeks ago we had a discussion about > drivers for the RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller > in a quite modern Acer Aspire One netbook. As we found out, Realtek > still released ODI (Netware) and NDIS (MS Client for DOS) drivers for > that NIC, so it can be used with shims as packet drivers for > networking in FreeDOS. > > So even when some companies do not release packet drivers for DOS, the > NIC might be still usable. > > > I question whether TCP/IP is the best way to go in a DOS environment. > > You are right. Security is an issue. ftpsrv32.exe for instance - one > of the few FTP servers that exist for DOS - doesn't ask for a password > and opens the whole DOS system for guests. And if you are using WLAN > in DOS, you are limited to 802.11b cards with WEP encryption, which is > insecure per definition. > > On the other hand, most TCP/IP networking software in DOS cannot run > as TSR. It runs fullscreen in the foreground, which is hard to ignore. > So there are no ports unintentionally open. And if you are running a > server in DOS you are at least not running anything else. ;-) > > > For security reasons, most of us probably don't want > > our DOS environments to connect directly to the Net, but for > > gaming purposes, local area networking can be quite fun. > > Gaming is one possible purpose of networking DOS machines. Another > reason may be the need to run old DOS software that has to have > network access. > > But I think the most important reason people have to network (Free)DOS > is simply to be able to exchange data. > > Modern computers don't have floppies, parallel or serial ports. Old > computers don't have USB or SD-cards. Some old computers have CD-Rom > but burning CDs for data exchange can be annoying, as Mike Eriksen > pointed out. > > TCP/IP for DOS has been around since the eighties, so it is the common > ground for old and new hardware, for DOS and a more modern OS. > > Just as example: How do I myself exchange data between FreeDOS on my > old 486SX laptops and my modern Thinkpad running Ubuntu Lucid? By > starting a ftp server in freedos and logging in with filezilla. How > else could I do this? By loading MS Client and creating a shared > directory. > > > How about DOSbox, Virtualbox, and VMWARE nics? Can Freedos use any > > virtual NICS? > > I installed FreeDOS in Virtualbox last week. Virtualbox uses a AMD > PCnet-Fast III card. A free packet driver "pcntpk.com" for this card > is available at: > <http://www.crynwr.com/drivers/amdpd.zip> > > For MS Client you can get the NDIS driver "pcntnd.dos" at: > <ftp://ftp.dlink.com/NIC/de520/Driver/uncompressed/MSLANMAN.DOS/DRIVERS/ETHERNET/PCNTND/> > > In Virtualbox the only way to exchange data between the FreeDOS guest > and the host (Ubuntu in my case) is to create a network: I use the > vbox network adapter in bridged mode. In the FreeDOS guest I run a DOS > server in my LAN (behind a router of course) and connect to it from > the Ubuntu host with filezilla. I also connected the FreeDOS guest > with a scond Virtualbox guest running Windows XP via MS Client in DOS. > > So yes, you are right: TCP/IP and DOS are probably not the best > combination. > And no, you are not right: Networking DOS via TCP/IP is still needed > for many reasons. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:18:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: 4625 <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <abg1jqj8pymlc3dyp7gdppsnldc3u...@4625> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > 6-Aug-2010 ?????, ? 18:22 ?????, Someone ???????(?) ?????????: > > > I'd say that Freedos is okay for networking if you have a card that > > is supported by open source drivers, but that seems to be a very > > short list of cards at this time. I guess the question to ask of > > anyone seeking to > > Does anyone have success experience with "Edimax EN-9130TXL" PCI > network adapter on FreeDOS? It looks like EN-9130TXL will work, but I > want to be sure. > > This is how *BSD recognize the EN-9130TXL card: "rl0 at pci0 dev 8 > function 0 "Realtek 8139" rev 0x10: irq 10". > > Attention! I notice to everyone that "ASUS NX1001" PCI network adapter > won't work on old motherboard "Giga-Byte i440BX". Windows, *BSD, Linux, > they all report that card not pluged into PCI slot. However, on modern > motherboard this card work very well. > > -- > /4625 () ???????? ascii ribbon - ?????? ????? ? html ??????? > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - ?????? ????????????? ???????? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:19:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: 4625 <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <u1vsgdt0ann4n4p2e5j7cnz9s2vfz...@4625> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > 6-Aug-2010 ?????, ? 19:53 ?????,, Someone ???????(?) ?????????: > > > execute, because it can't. DOS cannot stop viruses/worms very easily > > because it doesn't shield the hardware in the first place. This is > > all the more reason to avoid connecting to global networks from a DOS > > based environment. > > Are you sure that modern worms are able to intrude? Do you know any > modern worm for DOS? > > -- > /4625 () ???????? ascii ribbon - ?????? ????? ? html ??????? > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - ?????? ????????????? ???????? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 00:21:25 +0200 > From: Ulrich Hansen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed > > According to a google search, the EN-9130TXL card works with a Realtek > RTL8139D chip. > > Drivers for that chip can be found at Realteks site: > <http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=6&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false> > > If you scroll down you find: > - a DOS packet driver, > - a DOS NDIS driver and > - a Novell ODI driver. > > So I think there is a good chance the NIC will work in FreeDOS. > > BTW: According to Realtek, the DOS packet driver was updated four days > ago (2010/8/4). > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 02:30:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: 4625 <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: <f5ijbhfsb9lmvfelsiaodhw5hwo7h...@4625> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > > 8-Aug-2010 ?????, ? 00:21 ?????, Ulrich Hansen ???????(?) ?????????: > > > According to a google search, the EN-9130TXL card works with a > > Realtek RTL8139D chip. > > > > Drivers for that chip can be found at Realteks site: > > <http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=6&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false> > > > > If you scroll down you find: > > - a DOS packet driver, > > - a DOS NDIS driver and > > - a Novell ODI driver. > > I see that, but downloading won't to begin. Download link redirect me > to http://www.realtek.com/downloads/ . > > > BTW: According to Realtek, the DOS packet driver was updated four days > > ago (2010/8/4). > > Good news. > > -- > /4625 () ???????? ascii ribbon - ?????? ????? ? html ??????? > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - ?????? ????????????? ???????? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:46 +0200 > From: Ulrich Hansen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP > client > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed > > Am 08.08.2010 11:30, schrieb 4625: > > > I see that, but downloading won't to begin. Download link redirect me > > to http://www.realtek.com/downloads/ . > > It worked for me yesterday after I tried it a few times. 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