Hi Don, no on that browser where Might I find it? I think I looked at the freedos edition and it did not suit compared to what my ssh telnet options present. Now if I could find a wireless d-link card sigh. I do not understand what web security has to do with Dos, or browsers that pose no threat. The very nature of a low graphic environment suggests disinterest on the part of those who create bugs that do graphical harm. I am too boring a user for them to care about my machine smiles. Thanks for the suggestion, Kare
On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote: > Karen, I also use the D-Link card (PCMCIA) in my home and it is an > outstanding card for DOS/FreeDOS, I get the desire to maintain a pure DOS > machine (I have one desktop and two laptops that are DOS only). Have you > tried DIllodos (the lasted build not the one in the FreeDOS repo)? Using > that, I can access the HTML GMAIL, I can verrry slowly browse ebay (but > cannot buy or watch an item), I can search for DOS stuff and download it to > my FreeDOS download folder. FreeDOS's internet limitations are not > necessarily on the FreeDOS end but rather on the end of the evolution of > web security. > > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote: > >> <lifts hand from back of class> >> But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos. >> I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating >> systems on my main desktop to get the job done. >> I have a d-link Ethernet card. The card is very good with a ton of >> drivers, including the one I use for dos. >> I have a package called ssh2021b. this package contains ssh telnet and >> sftp programs as well as telnet ones for running in dos. >> I use the program for machines higher than 386 to ssh TELNET here >> shellworld, into the shell I have with the host for my office dreamhost. >> Granted, I am not using a browser directly on my computer, but this >> of mouse because I cannot. it is because no one has done a dos build of >> Lynx >> in a grand while. Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight >> java and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos. >> Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in >> freedos? >> took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking. >> I may hunt the wifi card below, if it is suitable for a laptop. >> Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge? >> Karen >> >> >> On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: >> >>> About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article? >>> >>> http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS >>> >>> It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the >>> DOS networking world. >>> >>> Mateusz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote: >>>> I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04, >>>> Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq >>>> DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine >>>> in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is >>>> not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of kernel >>>> incompatibility. >>>> >>>> As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim >>>> (Orinoco Gold 802.11b PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to >>>> Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless >>>> devices. >>>> >>>> I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired >>>> home network setup for FreeDOS. >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:rugx...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem <guilevi2...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS, >>>> >>>> Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very >>>> tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. >> As >>>> I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files >>>> first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery >>>> discs (and product key) nearby. >>>> >>>> What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it >>>> atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you >>>> can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux >> GParted >>>> or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's >> more >>>> complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD. >>>> >>>> Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as >>>> originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives >>>> like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier >> to >>>> use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect >> (not >>>> even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit >>>> greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw >>>> booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed. >>>> >>>> The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS >>>> to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various >> tools >>>> to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're >>>> using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via >>>> PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD). >>>> >>>> > and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right >> now are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way >>>> >>>> At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB >> jump >>>> drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without >>>> rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but >> a >>>> lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately. >>>> >>>> > and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that >> require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of >> driver >>>> > that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard >> (in my case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the >>>> > soundblaster to the realtek the right way? >>>> >>>> Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual >> FreeDOS >>>> being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a >> lot >>>> of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But >>>> you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?) >>>> Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but >>>> not all) games. >>>> >>>> > I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried >> developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations. >>>> >>>> In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't >> savvy >>>> enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did >>>> port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely >>>> based upon DOSBox! :-) >>>> >>>> Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that >>>> (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to >> care >>>> hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing >>>> universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but >> they >>>> sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although >> even >>>> that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than >>>> nothing! >>>> >>>> > Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's >> what this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so >> sure. >>>> >>>> I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to >> memory >>>> holes, I "only" get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is "too >> much" >>>> for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps >>>> (e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged. >>>> >>>> Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?). >>>> >>>> > I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way >> of using Ethernet because of how this house is set up. >>>> > I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is >> what I normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work all the way. >>>> >>>> This alone is probably the biggest advantage of emulators (e.g. VBox >>>> or QEMU, both of which I've used lately): easy to setup networking. >>>> You know by default that it will work, unlike native, where you >> can't >>>> be sure of anything! >>>> >>>> Granted, you mentioned Windows, but it's exactly Windows that >> doesn't >>>> support DOS well anymore (if at all). So while it seems crazy to >> use a >>>> software-only x86 emulator atop Windows on x86, sometimes it really >> is >>>> better than nothing. >>>> >>>> In short: it depends on what you're trying to do, and whether you >> can >>>> debug your own problems. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Freedos-user mailing list >>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >> _______________________________________________ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
