Glen, Oops, please ignore last quip, a response to an old email having had a couple extra beers...
My technique is for identifying where physical systems beyond our information are located, and then how to explore them for interesting information. I guess the way that relates to Rosen is as what you should do if you accept his conclusion that math is inadequate as a representation of real complex systems. The alternative I'm suggesting is that you let complex physical systems represent themselves, and use the math for the purpose of exploring them instead. Yes... it turns the world on it's head in a certain way, or backwards if you prefer, but it sure works better that way when it comes to systems that distinguish themselves by developing in individual ways along paths they find by exploring environments there's not way to describe. That's why I switch from a representational objective to an exploratory one. Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:59 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Rosen, Life Itself > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It's odd that you don't catch my intent to help others understand a > > very non ad hoc and efficient method, not yet in general use, for > > doing just that. To understand my technique you do need to > > distinguish between information and the physical prosesses from which > > we get it.. That can be a hangup. > > Sorry. I'm a bit of a literal person and, since we were talking in the > context of Rosen, I keep trying to tie the conversation to what I > understand of Rosen's work. > > And in that context, we're (or should be) assuming a very clear > delineation between causal and inferential entailment, a.k.a. "physical > processes" and "information", respectively. > > So, at least in the context of Rosen, that distinction is not the > problem. It's foundational. > > > Once you distinguish between > > those, what works to let your information signal you where to look in > > physical processes for better information about how they work is the > > transitions between continuities. That indicates transitions in how > > they are working, giving you focused questions and a subject to > > closely examine for more. > > I guess I'm lost. It's not clear to me how this relates to Rosen and > "Life Itself". Perhaps you'd be willing to clarify that for me? > Thanks. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
