Some memes and social rituals can behave like group genes - for example the ten commandments of the bible, or religions in general. They use groups as throw-away vehicles to lever themselves into the next generation. The founder of the Christian religion said "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20), which means that the spirit of the group - whatever this is - comes only alive if the group is assembled. Randall Collins describes the sociological side of religion in his book "Sociological Insight: An Introduction to Non-Obvious Sociology". I miss this aspect in Dawkins book "The God Delusion". By the way, an interesting paper. It is remarkable that one of the most basic laws of nature - evolution by natural selection - is basically a metaphor. Darwin's "natural selection" is a metaphor, Dawkins' "selfish gene", too.

-J.

----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas Thompson
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Russ,

I think I may disagree that there are no "group genes". Well, unless one defines gene in such a limited way that there are no genes at all. Please http://www.behavior.org/journals_BP/2000/thompson.pdf. I apologize for its size., which is stupid and unnecessary, and all my fault. The paper is not that big. I promise.

The mechanisms that produce inheritance are so far from validating the notion of an "atom of inheritance" that the fact that there are ANY traits that are passed reliably from generation to generation now seems to me a miracle. Please see THE PLAUSIBILITY OF LIFE by those two Harvard guys whose names i can never remember.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)




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