And, just in case y'all missed it in all the noise, here's ScottA's response I 
posted in the Graph/Network discursion:

On 06/09/2017 03:14 PM, gepr ⛧ wrote:
> 
>   Higher-level causation exists (but I wish it didn’t)
>   http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3294

And in there is an update linking to Hoel's response to Scott's response ... 
and so on ... and so on. 8^)


On 06/11/2017 10:43 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> I just read through the article and was equally intrigued and disappointed... 
> intrigued by some of the ideas presented and disappointed by the (mostly) 
> superficial treatment in the article... of course, it is at the right level 
> for the audience I think, so no harm, no foul...  I just need to take the 
> time/focus to go dig out the references to the source material not provided 
> and start with THAT.  I'll be curious to hear if anyone else digs any deeper.
> 
> The whiteboard behind Hoel reminds me a lot too much of the whiteboards the 
> UNM team I worked with in 2012-13 on "Faceted Ontologies" rooted in Category 
> Theory (Caudell, Luger, Taha, et al).  I took photos of those white boards... 
> somewhere deep in my archives.
> 
> FWIW, It also reminds me very vaguely/obliquely of Quantum Coherence in Water 
> and the work of many including Dr. Mae Won Ho, who Guerin turned me onto.
> 
>     http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Quantum_Coherent_Water_Life.php
> 
> 
> On 6/11/17 7:48 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-causality-consciousness/
>>
>> I think you all will like this.  I actually think I disapprove, but it’s 
>> late and I cannot remember why.

-- 
☣ glen

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