Locating at least one kind of fear: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0006156
Billiard ball contact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_mechanics Bucky spends a lot of time talking about our flat earth / Newtonian view of Universe, while Einstein clearly showed us how things actually worked. Many hits on kinds of fear, Psych Today says there are only 5: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brainsnacks/201203/the-only-5-fears-we-all-share My guess is that fear >> the subconscious takes precedence over the conscious / rational. It has survival basis, so some of the types are 'hard-wired'. Many of the strategies for dealing with fear are labeled grounding. https://talkiatry.com/blog/grounding-techniques-anxiety-coping-strategies/ Curt Curt On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 11:39 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > I hope EricC picks this up. He has been too absent lately. Damn him for > having gotten an interesting job. > > > > I guess I think in levels of organization, and my rants are always of the > form, Grant Each Level Its Due and Do Not Confuse Them. So you can > discuss the amygdala all you want, but you still have not described, or > identified, fear. > > > > So, you ask, how would a person of my persuasion go about explaining the > relation between the molecules in my skin and the excitation of those > elections that produce on my screen, what I am writing. Never mind the > socalled hard problem (the problem of the soul). Let’s figure out a way to > talk about that. > > > > Or for that matter, let’s make it even simpler: Let’s talk about the > relation between the molecules of a cue ball that result in the motion of > the eightball into a pocket and the loss of the game. Let’s even do some > spherical cowing here and assume that one, and only one molecule of the cue > ball touches one and only one molecule of the eightball. Is this a good > model? Have I understood the question right? > > > > I don’t think Nick should say “I am my fear.” I think he should say “I am > the sum total of all the things that I do and that fear is one of the > things I do”. Or, perhaps, to put it in terms of experience-monism, “I am > all that I experience and when I experience my flight behavior in relation > to my experience of my circumstances I experience my fear.” > > > > > > I have to get back to that message from EricS that I bungled my response > to. > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:24 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions > > > > Very nice! What I keep *wanting* to hear from Nick or EricC is a mechanism > by which very tiny, very fast processes inside the body interact with very > tiny, very fast processes outside the body. I.e. a demonstration (or simply > rhetoric) of membrane openness (permeability, lack of closure). I.e. not > all tiny/fast processes are bundled up into larger/slower processes at the > interface between inside and outside. > > > > If they made that (inherently compositional) argument, then ... then then > then, we could talk about a taxonomy of process from tiny/fast to > huge/slow, across spatiotemporal and functional scales. And with such a > taxonomy, we could talk about which ones facilitate the Markovian processes > EricS mentioned, required to successfully challenge "the hard problem" from > a behaviorist perspective. > > > > > > On 8/26/21 8:05 AM, Curt McNamara wrote: > > > Bucky Fuller on apprehension / comprehension of systems: > > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/figs/f0901.html > > > <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/figs/f0901.html> > > > > > > We ignore larger / slower frequencies. We also ignore smaller / faster > frequencies. > > > http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01 > > > <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01> > > > > > > Curt > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:55 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com > <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits. To > say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra by which > parts compose the whole. > > > > > > The point is the very high order conscious *attention* to lower > order frequencies. Not all is one. There are many parts to organize. How > are they organized? > > > > > > On 8/26/21 7:50 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > > > > > > >> E.g. when Bob wakes up startled, he interprets the situation > into "fear". But when Sally wakes up startled, she interprets the situation > into "excitement" or some other /a priori/, socially limiting, filter > category. > > > > Thus my earlier suggestion that "we" "are" our emotions? Bob > *is* his > > > > propensity to read the lower-level response of "startlement" > (closer to > > > > autonomic) to "fear" (closer to choice). 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