Hello list,
Understanding of cultural differences is not racism. It is understanding and
appreciation of the diversity of our World.
So, I would not being apologetic to mentioning that "country culture" affects
software development. "Culture" is very broad term to explain not only how
people eat or pray but also how they think, understand governing (i.e.
management process), and what is the background of technical education.
I'm Russian origin (see my full name) and know what is good in Russian culture
concerning utilization in technical processes (like software development) and
what is not. "Russian culture" surfaces in this country in any technical sphere
from construction to computers.
Take a look at China and India history and what has been invented there last
four - five centuries. None. Neither country had normal industry last two
hundred years, and thus no technical background for normal technical education.
Both countries started developing technical culture around 1980 - 1990.
I have seen myself very bad software development, which is done for one US
major banks by development team from India (actually working in US). And the
problem was not having numerous random bugs, but complete out of common
technical sense design, not coding. I have multiple examples of that. Should we
blame people for poor education and the lack of technical culture? Of course
not. We just need to understand that upper level US business management has
been ignorant and still is, and tries to exploit people without giving them a
chance for step by step development of modern technical culture.
The result is insecure software, and we get a lot of fun and work in security
research. Management gets money, we get fun. A kind of profit sharing ...
Sorry for following the post and being a bit off the list topic. However, we
sometimes should discuss things leading to insecurity.
Mikhail Utin, CISSP, PhD
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No sir, I believe I should have been more explicit at that than I was
-- I did not mean to say it is about nationalities. What I meant was a simple
matter of development costs when hiring personnel, and I think you won't argue
that a developer in UK costs less than a developer in e.g. China or Pakistan,
or Poland, or Belarus to that matter, will you? It doesn't have anything to do
with their culture at all, and this point is proven by businesses hiring more
and more from those countries, simply because it is cheap. Please do not try to
find any point to start a "is this because I'm {insert something here}" thread
-- there was no intention to hurt anyone, and I did mean no offense to any of
the people of whatever race, nationality, or sexual preferences, or whatever
else, and I apologise if it sounded like that. Let's abstract from whatever is
used to differentiate between social groups and concentrate on costs and
expenses alone, alright?
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