not to mention the hundreds or thousands of pairs of eyes both helpful and harmful that look at the mozilla project's codebase.

Todd Towles wrote:

He can buy a product..or do a super fast rollout of SP2..but why should
he? Microsoft should write better products...period. Everytime a Firefox
exploit comes out..there is already a fix...is that magic? No..it is
good coding...



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox


If you do have 14000 machines why don't you buy "Finjan's Vital Security For Web"?
It will filter all malicious I.E exploits for all its surfers(its a proxy, quite fast...)


Or just use SUS(system update server (microsoft)) just like any other administrator... to install sp2 or to just replace the c:\windows\system32\shdocvw.dll with the patched one or with sp2 one...

Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
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Malicious Code Research Center (MCRC)
Finjan Software LTD
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox


Oh yeah, I've got 14,000 Windows 2000 machines to update to windows XP SP2,
hang on wheres that CD?


So thanks for your infinate wisdom there Rafel.

Colin.








"Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To et.il> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: cc full-disclosure-a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .com Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox 12/11/2004 06:44




That is incorrect, there is a fix --> SP2.
Users should use the latest updated system, meaning if there is an SP2,
they
should install it.



Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
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Malicious Code Research Center (MCRC)
Finjan Software LTD
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Mkrtchian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Todd Towles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Mailing List - Full-Disclosure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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They should've at least released that statement after they

fixed the

IE FRAME vulnerability. 0 day exploit is in the wild and  no fix for
it, yet they claim its secure enough.

If the programmers are as smart as the company press

releasers, I can

see   why I.E. still sux.


Martin


On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:20 -0600, Todd Towles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Microsoft's security and mangement product manager (Ben English)

says...

At a security roundtable discussion in Sydney on

Thursday, Ben English,

Microsoft's security and management product manager, told

attendees that

IE undergoes "rigorous code reviews" and is no less

secure than any

other  browser.

"Because IE is ubiquitous, you hear a lot more about it,

but I don't

think that Internet Explorer is any less secure than any

other browser

out there," English  said.



http://news.com.com/Microsoft+says+Firefox+not+a+threat+to+IE/ 2100-1032_

3-5448719.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e433

Can  anyone say IFRAME? Lol

-Todd

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