Thanks Jack:
If we could expand on what you said I think we would have a firm
foundation. You have grasped the essence of what I have been attempting to
say.

In reference to the "tourtured philosophy" one of the most interesting
books I have read in a long time is Mortimer J Adler's "10 Philosophical
Mistakes" (1982?)

Jack's post follows:
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:23:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Jack Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: john courtneidge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The two essential features of the capitalist system 
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, john courtneidge wrote:
> >Part of Ed's post begs a reply.
> >
> 
> 
> Dictionary definitions of capitalism highlight two essential features of the
> capitalist system: that the factors necessary for the production of those
> commodities necessary for human life are in private ownership and that these
> factors are used for private benefit (or 'profit').

Maybe a new formulation, starting from scratch, or somewhere less
convoluted than the outcomes of two centuries of tortured philosophy.

Start with the concept of value and a concept of value transaction.
Commerce, capital, common good, public and private, the information
environment, and purposes of human interaction.  See what you can build
from those building blocks.

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