I'm not sure that we need to physically split the web frontend from the backend as far as the Ganglia project goes. IMO, why not just follow the pattern that we already have in SVN under trunk. Right now we have trunk/monitor-core which includes everything. Could we just create a new directory under trunk called web-frontend and move everything that has to do with the web frontend out of monitor-core and into web-frontend. From that point on, they could both be treated as separate projects with their own release cycles without physically splitting the code into different repositories. Tagging and branches would also work the same way.
The only purpose I see for splitting them into two different projects is to try to grow two different communities (ie. developers with rights to the web project who don't necessarily have rights to the monitor-core project and vice-versa). Given the fact that we don't really have a large developer community, I'm not sure that it would be a good idea to split the community that we have. Brad >>> On 11/4/2010 at 1:15 AM, in message <aanlktimset-nck4h0wrktf6dyszsdf1uv_mxxslup...@mail.gmail.com>, Bernard Li <bern...@vanhpc.org> wrote: > Hi all: > > The other day we were talking on IRC regarding how to proceed with > this "re-write" effort for the frontend. In the beginning, I was > gung-ho on this re-write from scratch, however, recently Vladimir has > been hacking away adding new features to the existing code in trunk. > You can get a taste of it here: > > http://ec2-184-72-167-114.compute-1.amazonaws.com/ganglia-new/ > > Which got me to thinking... is a re-write from scratch the best > approach, or should we just try to keep extending what we have? > > Another administrative issue that cropped up, is whether to split out > Ganglia-Web as a separate project such that it doesn't need to follow > the main Ganglia release cycle (since the frontend code is usually > backward/forward compatible with Ganglia releases anyway). > > My idea is to create a new project for the frontend, give it a new > name and start with a new version. With that, we can tell users that > after Ganglia X, we will no longer be shipping the web component, use > Y for that. > > Another approach is to retain the Ganglia name, but say that after > Ganglia 3.2, there are 2 separate projects, ganglia and ganglia-web, > in which case ganglia-web will be on a different release cycle than > ganglia. > > Sounds confusing? Yes it is! :) > > I don't really care either way, as long as it causes the least > confusion to the users -- feel free to offer Plan C. > > Another plan I have in mind is after we create branch-3.2 from trunk, > we remove the web component from the code base, in which case all > future bug fixes to ganglia-web goes into that branch only, and we > will move development to GitHub (just for the frontend). > > Thanks! > > Bernard > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Bernard Li <bern...@vanhpc.org> wrote: >> Hi all: >> >> Sorry for the delay in posting the log, but I have finally uploaded >> it. Thanks Jesse for logging: >> >> http://therealms.org/oss/ganglia/ganglia_frontend_rewrite_irc_101310.txt >> >> I have left the log as is, I just filtered out people's hostnames and >> stuff. I chopped off at the end when we started discussing outside >> the scope of the frontend re-write. >> >> I will try to summarize the log in the next few days, but if anybody >> else who was there would like to take a stab at it, please feel free. >> >> I think Erik and Vladimir have been hard at work hacking at a Ganglia >> installation on an AWS instance. We will try to schedule another time >> to sync up and discuss further (would a phone teleconference be better >> this time, or should we stick with IRC)? >> >> It doesn't look like the hackathon would happen next month. It might >> become a virtual hackathon but I would really like to put all the >> developers in a room, but anyway, we'll see. >> >> Thanks again for all who showed up, and for all the great discussions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bernard >> >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jesse Becker <haw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I have a log that I will try to clean up and post later today. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 14:46, Dave Josephsen <d...@dbg.com> wrote: >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> Did anyone take minutes? I wasn't able to attend but am interested in > hearing about the chat. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -dave >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Bernard Li" <bern...@vanhpc.org> >>>> To: ganglia-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net, "Ganglia" > <ganglia-general@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2010 1:55:26 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>>> Subject: [Ganglia-general] IRC chat on Ganglia Web Frontend re-write > 10/13/2010 (Wed) 9-10am PDT >>>> >>>> Dear all: >>>> >>>> I've been talking to people on and off about doing a web frontend >>>> re-write, in fact I have been thinking about it since almost three >>>> years ago when I started the "wishlist" thread: >>>> >>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/ganglia-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net/msg03070.h > > tml >>>> >>>> I've managed to gather a group of developers and users who are >>>> interested in this re-write effort and we are planning to have a >>>> discussion forum on irc.freenode.net #ganglia on 10/13/2010 (next >>>> Wednesday) from 9-10am PDT. >>>> >>>> I would like to extend this invitation to anybody interested in > participating. >>>> >>>> Here's the agenda: >>>> >>>> Introductions: Briefly introduce yourself >>>> >>>> Discussion points: >>>> - Use case of Ganglia >>>> - Language: PHP? Ruby on Rails? Framework? >>>> - Technologies: graphite, canvas, SVG, javascriptrrd, flot, jQuery, node.js >>>> - Modular by design, extensible by users >>>> - State: Login, different views for administrator, managers, operators >>>> - Browsing (server-side) vs Customization/Interactive mode (client-side) >>>> - Customization: custom graphs, overlay graphs, compare arbitrary graphs >>>> - Interactivity: Allow users to interact with graphs, zoom in/out, etc. >>>> - Allow arbitrary grouping of hosts >>>> - URL pretty names: eg. http://ganglia.info/grid/cluster/host >>>> - Flexible URL API for graph generation (turn legends on/off, titles, >>>> height, width, etc.) >>>> - Metric query backend (JSON?) >>>> - Search for host/metric/graphs (aka Ganglia Instant) >>>> - Identified by unique identifiers (as opposed to hostnames) >>>> - New logos, icons, etc. >>>> >>>> Hope to see you all there. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Bernard >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Beautiful is writing same markup. 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