Niall Pemberton wrote:
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Jeff Eastman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Niall Pemberton wrote:

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Edward J. Yoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Oh, Sorry for our carelessness.
 We clearly overlooked the mention of the champion/mentor
qualifications.
 > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
 > members?  Maybe you meant committers?

 I have amended it as follows:
  "initial set of Hama committers"


 > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member.  Not sure
 > any of your proposed mentors are.  If they're Apache members,
 > they can just ask to become IPMC members.

 They'are Apache members, but not a member of Incubator PMC.
 Then, I wonder whether this proposal should be continued without
 champion/mentors.


Ian Holsman is an Apache member and can become a member of the
Incubator PMC by simply sending a request to the Incubator PMC chair.
Jeff doesn't appear to be an Apache member

Niall



 -Edward



 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Edward J. Yoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member.  Not sure
 > > any of your proposed mentors are.  If they're Apache members,
 > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
 >
 > Oh... Thank you for your advice.
 > Then, Should we ask to become IPMC members before mentoring and delay
the vote?
 >
 > Edward
 >
 >
 > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Thilo Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > Edward J. Yoon wrote:
 > > [...]
 > > > == Core Developers ==
 > > >
 > > > The initial set of committers includes folks from the
 > > > [http://hadoop.apache.org Hadoop] &
[http://hadoop.apache.org/hbase
 > > > Hbase] communities. We have varying degrees of experience with
 > > > Apache-style open source development, ranging from none to ASF
 > > > Members.
 > > >
 > >
 > > Hi Edward,
 > >
 > > can you elaborate on who of the initial committers are ASF
 > > members?  Maybe you meant committers?
 > >
 > > Also, a mentor needs to be an Incubator PMC member.  Not sure
 > > any of your proposed mentors are.  If they're Apache members,
 > > they can just ask to become IPMC members.
 > >
 > > HTH,
 > > Thilo
 Actually, I'm a (recent) committer on the Mahout project. As such, I do not
have much familiarity with the mechanics of being a champion but I'm willing
to learn.

OK but I think you're mis-understanding - committer is not the same as
member of the ASF:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html

http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion

Niall

 Jeff
 jeastman at apache dot org

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Yes, we were both confused by that distinction. My apologies.
Jeff

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