Hi - > On Apr 3, 2024, at 4:33 AM, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote: > > Question: where did the incubation process fail in this case? How can we > prevent something like this from happening again?
Rather than consider what went wrong in this case and to avoid an how is the Incubator broken this time discussion … let’s look at the real problem. 1. Companies donate IP while not understanding that they are giving up trademarks. 2. We defer trademark assignment until Incubation ends. These branding issues can happen in TLPs as well. It would help if the following were improved (I’m not licking this cookie, just discussion.) 1. If the Champion has one duty to the ASF it is to make sure that any entity that will sign an SGA knows the brand implications. 2. The IPMC members need to be willing to actively retire projects that are not properly understanding the “Apache Way”. This should not be consider a failure of the Incubator. 3. The VP, Brand may need to alter the Podling Name Search to include information about the brand’s "pre-existing conditions”. 4. When the Incubator votes to allow graduation it should have explicit feedback from one or more active Mentors. The VOTE should not be held unless that is demonstrated in the [DISCUSS]. 5. The Board should ask for explicit assurances from the Incubator PMC that the new PMC has or will handle the situation. Best, Dave > > On 2021/12/20 22:50:13 Eya Badal Abdisho wrote: >> Hello Justin, >> Thank you for your feedback. Please find more information following: > > ...snip...> - There are some minor trademark issues on the Bitnine site e.g > [2] → All >> will be fixed in a day. > > One issue today is that both the Bitnine site advertises several software > products with names that start with "AGE...", including a graph-based tool. > The other issue is that AgeDB is a company using similar names and branding > as Apache Age. > > These issues clearly weren't fixed, nor do they appear to really have been > seriously addressed in the past two years. > > https://bitnine.net/ > https://agedb.io/ > > ...snip... >> - I notice one person who replied to this thread had a agedb.io email >> address - what is it relationship with the project? >> Agedb is a US startup (incorporated in California May this year) and is >> affiliated with Bitnine Global, who contributed the original AGE source >> codes to the Apache Software Foundation. The purpose of Agedb is not yet >> clearly defined but it is expected to be to provide graph database >> solutions and related services. > > I definitely appreciate our Incubator mentors, who do an incredible job in > their volunteer time. Helping build communities is hard work, and is to be > celebrated. > > How can we improve documentation, education, or training so that the below > sentence would leap out at any mentor as a "You can't do that!" > > "purpose of Agedb is ... provide graph database solutions and related > services" > > Given we were trying to incubate Apache AGE as a graph database, the above > sentence is literally describing trademark infringement! How can we make it > easier to ensure podlings and their donating organizations actually take > trademark transfer seriously? > > -- > - Shane > Member > The Apache Software Foundation > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
