On 2013-03-22, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > If you don't need user session monitoring for anything (which is what >> > ConsoleKit and logind provides), nor interactive privilege granting >> > (which is what polkit provides), then I believe you will have no >> >> Thanks. Now *that* is what I call explaining something in a nutshell :-) >> >> > problems switching OpenRC and systemd withouth needing to recompile >> > anything. However, that means no upower and no udisks at least; GNOME >> > cannot run without any of those. XFCE needs them if the udev USE flag >> > is enabled, which is enabled by default in Gentoo desktop profiles, >> > and in KDE the three of them are optional dependencies turned on by >> > default. You can turn them of in XFCE and KDE, but you kinda lose >> > functionality without them. >> >> I do indeed remember having to fight the KDE use flags so that I could >> pull kdelibs without pulling the whole set of u* things someone decided >> that were required for a desktop environment (the fun thing being that I >> wasn't even using KDE as a DE). >> >> But I hope you don't mean the GNOME *libs* will be requiring >> logind/Consolekit/... in the near future? That would cause me some >> trouble, as I rely on evince a lot. > > A good overview though I don't agree with "If you don't 'need'" > > Did your desktop really fail to run at all?
I don't need any of this u* or other things for my desktop computer to work. Maybe this is related to the fact that I don't run a desktop environment, even if I use linux for desktop computing and run X. > Why are dependencies suddenly getting a lot worse (ignoring konquerorFM > without kde) when for so long dependencies were understood to be a big > problem that must be fixed. It can only be bad design if a desktop does > not work at all because < 1% of the functionality is missing and may > well have been replaced in every case above by alternative and in some > cases superior (permissions) that may override others (sessions you > don't use), choices of functionality. Bad design, bad choices by developers, people who don't want to accept binary distros aren't the only thing around, and people who don't have a taste for simplicity. > Is it really a freedesktop when almost all the rest are free-er? freedesktop seems to be doing a good job at creating standards where there were no standards, the problem is that (IMHO) they seem to be coming up with bad standards to fill the gap (see clipboard/selection handling), and sometimes it is actually good to have things done in different ways. -- Nuno Silva (aka njsg) http://njsg.sdf-eu.org/
