2013/9/6 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> > On 06/09/2013 20:55, gevisz wrote: > > 2013/9/6 gevisz <gev...@gmail.com <mailto:gev...@gmail.com>> > > > > > > 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com > > <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com>> > > > > On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: > > > Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a > > Close, > > > Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right > corner. > > > > > > Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary > > window frame > > > from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the > > Close > > > button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the > > whole > > > screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. > > > > > > I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under > > Ubuntu but > > > somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all > > my windows > > > had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception > > was the > > > Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( > > > > > > Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the > > > sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize > > buttons "out > > > of the box" and without recompilation of all the programs that > > do not do > > > the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, > > of course). > > > > > > However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because > > at the > > > moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome > > > (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather > > applet > > > with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). > > > > > > Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore > and > > > Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. > > > > > > I think the true answer is > > > > "You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want" > > > > I'm happy to be proved wrong though. > > > > If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. > > It will > > last only a short time. > > > > Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com > > <mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com> > > > > > > Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far > > > > 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any > other > > language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev > > configs), > > > > 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, > > I can not assign <Win>+<Shift>+<any letter> to any program > launcher > > in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, > > > > 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent > > packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. > > > > All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back > > compared to Gnome 2 > > (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared > > with Gnome 3 :^), as > > have not tried it so far). > > > > P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can > > explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, > > you are welcome. :^) > > > > I set up toggling the keyboard layout to <rWin> key in > > /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: > > > > Option "XkbOptions" > > "grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > > > > It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( > > > > Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on > > the Xfce panel, > > but could not find any. > > > > > > A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not > > included in the xfce4-meta package > > (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout > > indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, > > I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after > > changing some of the plugin's > > settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. > > Interestingly, the applet continued to switch > > the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the > > original ones. Magically, the <rWin> > > key also started to switch the keyboard layout. > > > > So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more > > valid. The third one is not > > so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with > > it. :^) > > > > Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even > > more informative. :^) > > > > However, my original question about Deficient Gnome Window Frames is > > still valid. > > > > But not so important any more. :^) > > > Window decorations are usually done by the window manager, I assume > Gnome2 is no different? > > Have you tried running a different window manager that supports what you > want? > What is the Gnome2 wm anyway? Metacity? (it's been so long since I > looked, I've forgotten) >
Yes, the Gnome 2 window manager is Metacity. However, I never configured my Gnome 2. :^) I migrated to Gentoo from Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and, after mounting my old home partition, Gnome 2 transparently used its old configs from Ubuntu. I think that that old Gnome 2 configs may be the reason that, at first, I could not get the keyboard layout switch in Fxce4. However, now I have found all that need in Xfce4 and almost completely satisfied with it. The only two features that I do not like in Xfce is 1) the ugly icons of Xfce4 weather applet (Gnome 2 had much better ones) and that 2) I can not assign <Win>+<Shift>+<any letter> to any program launcher in Fxce4, while it does work in Gnome > > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan.mckin...@gmail.com > > >
