On Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:03:53 PM lee wrote: > "J. Roeleveld" <jo...@antarean.org> writes: > > On 8 April 2015 14:43:02 GMT-07:00, lee <l...@yagibdah.de> wrote: > >>hydra <hydrapo...@gmail.com> writes: > >>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM, lee <l...@yagibdah.de> wrote: > >>>> symack <sym...@gmail.com> writes: > >>>> > >>>> Other than that, unless you really do need full virtualization: I'm > >>>> finding Linux containers to be far more manageable than virtual > >>>> machines, and much more efficient. > >>> > >>> Can you please post some more details? > >> > >>About containers? > >> > >>There's very useful documentation about them like > >>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LXC ... > >> > >>What can I say? Virtualization with xen is like juggling with a set of > >>black boxes each of which aren't exactly accessible; the > >>documentation sucks, it's hard work to get it running and likewise hard > >>to maintain. > >> > > I disagree. Been using Xen for over 10 years now and find it very easy to > > use. The documentation could be better on the Xen site itself, but there > > is plenty of decent documentation available via Google. > Then we just disagree about this.
Do you have anything that you find insufficiently documented or is too difficult? > >>Virtualization with containers is basically as simple as running just > >>another daemon. > >> > > Not quite. I use virtualization to minimizer the physical hardware. Xen is > > easy for that. Containers are what chroot jails should have been. But > > there is no simple method to set these up when security isolation is your > > goal. > Containers or chroots? Containers. Chroots don't have much when it comes to isolation. > >>Which the "better" tool, or combination of tools is, depends on what > >>you > >>want to accomplish. You could use containers in a VM, too, or use > >>virtualbox along with containers to run the odd VMs that require full > >>virtualzation. > >> > > Virtualbox is nice for a quick test. I wouldn't use it for production. > > Why not? Several reasons: 1) I wouldn't trust a desktop application for a server 2) The overhead from Virtualbox is quite high (still better then VMWare's desktop versions though) -- Joost
