On 05/01/2017 06:46, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 04/01/2017 22:25, Daniel Frey wrote: >>> On 01/04/2017 08:30 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 18:11:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Using the --deep switch can / does pull in a lot of seemingly extra >>>>>> packages. >>>>> --deep is practically *required* to do a full proper update. >>>>> >>>>> Say A is in world, and A depends on B which depends on C. >>>>> C is updated in the tree, and usually you will want C updated. >>>>> >>>>> However, update world will NOT update C. >>>>> Why? Because "world" is not a synonym for "everything", >>>>> "world" is something quite literal - the exact contents of >>>>> /var/lib/portage/world (and /var/lib/portage/world_sets if present) >>>>> "update world" updates that list only. >>>> That's not quite true, according to the man page. Without --deep portage >>>> considers only the specified files and their immediate dependencies >>>> (deps that are listed in the package's ebuild). So without --deep, >>>> updates to B as well a A would be picked up, but not C. >>>> >>>>> Adding --deep follows the >>>>> dependencies of the list, basically meaning >>>>> >>>>> "update --deep world" IS a synonym for "everything" >>>> >>> I always do `emerge -uDN world`. Which is --update --deep --newuse... >>> I've just never had that happen with depclean before. Odd, no? >>> >>> I usually do: >>> >>> `emerge -uDN world` >>> >>> and >>> >>> `emerge -ac` to depclean afterwards. >>> >>> As I use --deep all the time, I'm still confused as to why needed >>> packages weren't installed. >>> >>> Dan >>> >> s/I always do/I always do except this once when I forgot and then forgot >> that I forgot/g >> >> > > This is why adding some options to make.conf is a good idea as you > already know. I added -1 ages ago. Why? I would be trying to get a > update done and needed to do a few by hand and would forget the -1 > option. One can only imagine what the world file looked like. lol > Since I added -1 to make.conf, nothing has went into the world file that > I didn't add there on purpose. Of course, one has to remember to use > --select y to add those new packages but in general, I may do that a few > times a year where I average updating about twice a week. Plus, when > you do -a --depclean and it spits out the list, you will see it and slap > your forehead and then go add it if you really want to keep it around. > > In all honesty, I can't imagine how a person can keep a Gentoo install > up to date without adding that or having a really crappy looking world > file. ;-) > > I wonder why the -1 isn't there by default??? I would think it would be > a problem only when doing the initial install, when you want to add a > lot of packages to the world file since most likely, nothing is there. > Just a thought.
-1 isn't there by default because the purpose of emerge is to build and install something, then remember you did it. What -1 does is build and install something then neglect to record you did it. -1 cannot ever possibly be a good default. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
