Also of note, it looks as though they took down the site. He probably read a handful of threads like this :-( I guess he'll learn his lesson and come back all the stronger for it.
Justin On 1/13/06, Justin Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I appreciate a good pitch, I actually think that what awakened > the list so mightily is that someone brazenly posted to a Linux user > list with a business pitch with no business plan attached. > > I think that most people who've had at least a brush with professional > software engineering read such a statement as if it were steel wool > scraping their eyeballs. If they've encountered such a business > situation, they know, it's not so much that it's a scam, it's that > they would suffer a lot less if it was just a scam. > > Justin > > On 1/11/06, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Petr Kocmid <Petr.Kocmid <at> project-bhairava.org> writes: > > > > > > > On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:40, Mark Stewart wrote: > > > > Hello fellow Linux Users! > > > > We here at SaviourLinux.com desire to create a united universal way. > > > > Please visit the website for more information, but here is the purpose: > > > > > You missed the target audience. Here at gentoo there are mostly hardcore > > > linux > > > geeks, and we already have "universal way". You do not make a fortune here > > > with a scam like this. > > > > (Splash--WAKE UP CALL) > > > > This thread has generated much noise, because it invokes the very antithesis > > of many things we hold dear: Irrelevance of Microsoft one day, ubiquitous > > secure and distributed computing, fantastic multimedia influenced and > > controlled by the little people of world etc etc.... > > > > It has generated so much concern (deeply disturbing responses) because we > > all > > need to earn a living and it'd be nice if we could do it, being perveyours > > of linux (Gentoo specifically) yet we lack initiative. > > > > I have often talk about preparing Gentoo for the masses, with little > > collective > > interest. I have even offered to spent my limited financial resources to get > > talented people to develop specific software and make it open source so that > > it can be used freely, available in source code and also open to > > entrepreneurial endeavors, much like the BSDish licenses. I personally think > > all of the hype over licenses are a waste of bandwidth. Who gives a shit, > > statistically. If something is great everybody is going to use it, and > > it's associated technical perveyours should make money signing autographs. > > > > 'Savior' is something Linux needs. The simple solution is for perveyours of > > (Gentoo) linux to stop being 'bone-heads' and start being Entrepreneurs. > > You make money, become affluent, you can write all the code and give it > > to whatever cause you want. What the youth of this list do not realize is > > their "Free time" combined with strong "programming skills" is capital. > > use it wisely, and more capital will flow your way. > > > > Specifically, I work as an engineer, with machines, industrial processes, > > communications, and too dam many lawyers and politicians. Machines on this > > earth are mostly controlled by SCADA systems: Supervisor Controls And Data > > Aquistion (sounds sexy huh?) Currenlty MicroSuck dominates the space, but, > > it's lack of robust security, has created a huge vacuum, highlighted by > > activities of 9/11. Futhermore in the near future, there will be at least > > 100 machines (micro P with connnectivity) per humanoid and the gap will > > only increase. AKA, the net of the future belongs to machines. Just look > > at the number of peripherals (machines) we have today and the pending > > explosion of every electro-mechanical device in your home, auto, work > > and leisure activities, having 'connectivity' in the not too distant > > future. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Many attemps > > have been made, but, most have been diverted to the traditional business > > model (come work for me and I'll give you a paycheck). Now is the time > > to develop software so that all electrical devices can be seemlessly > > managed and controlled. Whe have power over ethernet (802.af) and > > ethernet over powerlines, not to mention Rf chipsets that are shockingly > > low in price. The current vendor track is build a new device, > > write new software, and add it to the thousands of applications that > > exist. The future paradyne could be: Develop a robust Linux SCADA software > > package, make money migrating industry and consumers to it, and write > > device drivers for any product someone builds. That way the cost of > > software development is born of the open source community, and local > > entrepreneurs can spin hardware with local manufacturers to build > > successful 'regional products'. Gentoos get new toys, many of which > > are built by people they know.... > > > > I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make > > a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source > > SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become > > an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate > > the industrial world to Gentoo. > > > > Leads me to beleive that everyone has too much cash or are scared to 'step > > up'. > > My programming skills have atrofied (like my spelling skills) over time. > > Furthermore, I'd be most interested in installing this SCADA system > > somewhere > > and generating attention as to what promise Gentoo holds for the future. > > The more of an Entrepreneur I become the less time I have to stay current or > > maintain my existing skill sets. Youth provides opportunity for greatness. > > I'm > > willing to finance greatness. There is no greater need than to develop a > > (Gentoo) based SCADA system. EVERYONE, except the commmercial SCADA vendors > > is > > very, very tired of MicroSuck in the Industrial space.... > > > > Then along comes this "Savior Thread" where folks are almost interested > > in giving away their personal capital in the pursuit of foolishness. > > > > My answer to Savior Linux is "put the check into the mail, and I'll be > > right there". But, I'm willing to send a check to someone that this list > > agrees with, has the BALLS and BRAINS to build a SCADA software package > > for Gentoo. I just want a licence that encourages entrepreneurial > > implementation of the software, more akin to BSDishness..... That way > > folks can build hardware, sell it in small volume, make a living, > > and the greater gentoo community becomes greater, because we have > > the newest/coolest hardware toys, and the software is part of a single, > > very cool package that is easy to maintain. Under this scheme, developing > > device drivers would become routine for Gentoo Folks. Hardware guys > > could focus on hardware and gets their drivers for free! > > > > If you are unfamilar with SCADA: > > http://www.comedi.org/doc > > http://www.modcomp.com/scada/scada_app.html > > http://www.rtaautomation.com/modbustcp > > http://www.jffnms.org > > > > The rub is ( i use to love the rub: in engineering school that's where > > some old, nasty bastard challenged the students to actually do something > > with what we were learning) > > video controls and display of video needs to be added to the SCADA software. > > I think an open API for rapid addition of machines and hardware beyond > > that of PLC (programmable logic controllers) is important too. > > Think of it as SCADA on steroids. > > > > I'm not rich [(3) kids; beautiful, nagging wife and a boat in disrepair]; > > yet this is something that I'm will to spend my money on, for the > > benfit of the wider Gentoo community. > > > > Any takers? > > > > > > sincerely, > > James Horton, PE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > > -- > Justin W. Hart > -- Justin W. Hart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
