Boy, the hypocrisy here is stunning.  The BBC allows time-limited downloads, 
but does NOT allow downloads without an expiration date.  Every single license 
payer here is violating BBC's terms of service by using GiP to download files 
that do not expire.  Yet heaven forbid someone from outside the UK violate 
those same terms of service.  Plus, every US participant that has ever spoken 
up has observed they'd happily pay the license fee if they could.  Hell, I 
tried to work out an arrangement to pretend to live in an apartment on 
somebody's property so I could have an address and pay the license fee, just to 
contribute my fair share, but the fellow decided not to follow through.  I 
didn't blame him for wanting to avoid any impropriety, but you holier-than-thou 
types really suck.  People in glass houses...

- larryy

> On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:31 AM, James Robinson 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Could not agree more.  Well said.
> 
>> On 04 July 2020 at 17:29 Jon Davies <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 13:58, Barry Toner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Can someone please tell me how I do this?  I promised some friends in the 
>>> USA I would grab this show for them.  I need the video and don’t need 
>>> subtitles or audio description.
>> 
>> This is why I stopped subscribing to this list a couple of years ago -
>> I've been resubscribed by the old backup, but will be going again.  I
>> want nothing to do with anyone or anything that promotes violation of
>> the BBC terms of use.  See
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/usingthebbc/terms-of-use/ - particularly 7a, the
>> bit that says
>> 
>> a. Don’t mess with our services
>> 
>> What do we mean by that? This sort of thing:
>> ...Accessing content from outside the UK that you aren’t allowed to,
>> or helping others do the same.
>> 
>> So, please just stop using get-iplayer for this sort of thing.  People
>> have put effort into building get-iplayer to enable fair use within
>> the UK in circumstances that the BBC's own software doesn't support.
>> 
>> Yes, I'm angry.  I'm angry that people, including you Barry Toner, are
>> abusing the work others (and to a much lesser extent I) have put into
>> get-iplayer and the various distribution points for it.
>> 
>> So I'm pulling the plug on what's left of the Ubuntu repository
>> (though it was getting no further updates for other reasons), and
>> pulling the plug on the Raspbian repository.  If you don't like this,
>> tough.  Do your own thing.  I'm having no part in this any more.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
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