Hi Austin,

I haven't heard back from you about this, and D302 has been waiting for
review in phab for two weeks. This seems to be a minor change, so if I
don't hear otherwise by the end of the week, I'm going to go ahead and
merge.

Thanks,
Geoff

On 08/29/2014 01:29 PM, Geoffrey Mainland wrote:
> Hi Austin,
>
> I've pushed wip/dph-fix branches to the dph and ghc repos. dph is not in
> Phabricator, so I didn't submit anything for review. I think this is
> small enough that we can probably just merge it directly, but it would
> be nice to have DPH in Phabricator eventually.
>
> I only validated on Linux x64. Is there an easy way for me to validate
> on other platforms?
>
> Thanks,
> Geoff
>
> On 08/04/2014 10:07 AM, Austin Seipp wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Geoffrey Mainland <mainl...@apeiron.net> 
>> wrote:
>>> I have patches for DPH that let it work with vector 0.11 as of a few
>>> months ago. I would be happy to submit them via phabricator if that is
>>> agreeable (we have to coordinate with the import of vector 0.11
>>> though...I can instead leave them in a wip branch for Austin to merge as
>>> he sees fit). I am also willing to commit some time to keep DPH at least
>>> working in its current state.
>> That would be quite nice if you could submit patches to get it to
>> work! Thanks so much.
>>
>> As we've moved to submodules, having our own forks is becoming less
>> palatable; we'd like to start tracking upstream closely, and having
>> people submit changes there first and foremost. This creates a bit of
>> a lag time between changes, but I think this is acceptable (and most
>> of our maintainers are quite responsive to GHC needs!)
>>
>> It's also great you're willing to help maintain DPH a bit - but based
>> on what Ben said, it seems like a significant rewrite will happen
>> eventually.
>>
>> Geoff, here's my proposal:
>>
>>  1) I'll disable DPH for right now, so it won't pop up during
>> ./validate. This will probably happen today.
>>  2) We can coordinate the update of vector to 0.11, making it track
>> the official master. (Perhaps an email thread or even Skype would
>> work)
>>  3) We can fix DPH at the same time.
>>  4) Afterwords, we can re-enable it for ./validate
>>
>> If you submit Phabricator patches, that would be fantastic - we can
>> add the DPH repository to Phabricator with little issue.
>>
>> In the long run, I think we should sync up with Ben and perhaps Simon
>> & Co to see what will happen long-term for the DPH libraries.
>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> On 8/4/14 8:18 AM, Ben Lippmeier wrote:
>>>> On 4 Aug 2014, at 21:47 , Austin Seipp <aus...@well-typed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why? Because I'm afraid I just don't have any more patience for DPH,
>>>>> I'm tired of fixing it, and it takes up a lot of extra time to build,
>>>>> and time to maintain.
>>>> I'm not going to argue against cutting it lose.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So - why are we still building it, exactly?
>>>> It can be a good stress test for the simplifier, especially the SpecConstr 
>>>> transform. The fact that it takes so long to build is part of the reason 
>>>> it's a good stress test.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [1] And by 'speak up', I mean I'd like to see someone actively step
>>>>> forward address my concerns above in a decisive manner. With patches.
>>>> I thought that in the original conversation we agreed that if the DPH code 
>>>> became too much of a burden it was fine to switch it off and let it become 
>>>> unmaintained. I don't have time to maintain it anymore myself.
>>>>
>>>> The original DPH project has fractured into a few different research 
>>>> streams, none of which work directly with the implementation in GHC, or 
>>>> with the DPH libraries that are bundled with the GHC build.
>>>>
>>>> The short of it is that the array fusion mechanism implemented in DPH 
>>>> (based on stream fusion) is inadequate for the task. A few people are 
>>>> working on replacement fusion systems that aim to solve this problem, but 
>>>> merging this work back into DPH will entail an almost complete rewrite of 
>>>> the backend libraries. If it the existing code has become a maintenance 
>>>> burden then it's fine to switch it off.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the trouble.
>>>> Ben.
>>>>
>>

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