Does he have standing? Does he have experience? Does he have a better suggested name, title, acronym or abbreviation for the software (no) Is he an actor?? Does he - I don't suggest he does - make a habit of demanding changes without contributing to making changes, or the things he changes?
GIMP isn't a word, it is an acronym. Gimp or gimp is, although it doesn't seem to appear in the project's official materials. There are, I'll remark again, more things than there are words. Adrian Midgley http://defoam.net/ http://defoam.net/photo.defoam.net/ On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 12:04, Simon Budig <si...@budig.de> wrote: > > Hi all. > > Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list (gimp-user-list@gnome.org) wrote: > > What does Michael Richards do? > > Please stop this kind of implied ad-hominem attack. Thank you. > > And to all others: Thanks for your input. Seems the name discussion > rears its head again. > > It is not necessary to explain that the term GIMP is not offensive to > you. Nobody really disputes that GIMP is a "harmless" word to the > majority of the worlds population. But "majority" is not necessarily the > relevant metrics here. > > And that "whataboutism" regarding other software projects with possibly > problematic names is not really helping, since there is nothing to learn > from that. > > Also nobody really disputes that the original naming of the project is > influenced by the pulp fiction movie and also in knowledge of the > derogatory use. And while I was not aware of that issue until a few > years after getting involved I certainly can understand the thinking > that likely happened with the naming, as in "hah-hah-funny" as well > as preferring to undersell and demeaning your own project instead of > overhyping. > > Personally I appreciate the feedback from people who might be the target > of the derogatory term. These are the most relevant people in this > discussion. But then we do have a self-selecting bias on this > mailinglist, since the people offended by the term are less likely to > participate here. > > This is a knotty discussion, because on the other hand we *do* have a > huge brand recognition with our name and renaming the project certainly > will have an effect on me (as a non-native english speaker and als not > in the "target group" of the derogatory term) and my 24-year-connection > with the project. I am very much emotionally attached to that name. > > There are tons of technical implications with a renaming and I > personally believe they are prohibitive. Even if we were to rename > (unlikely) we'd still have to keep our hands on the term GIMP, if only > to protect our users from scammers trying to step in the then empty > shoes. > > From past discussions with other team members I know that we're quite > unlikely to change then name, but we *are* willing to work on the issue > by other means. We're willing (and have done so in the past) to reduce > the appearance of the acronym and put more emphasis on the fully written > name of the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, although it is really hard > to not just type the acronym :) > > We're willing to engage with other groups in projects that might > help reducing the stigma of disabilities and if we somehow would be able > to use the power of our brand to help reducing the impact of the > derogatory term I firmly believe we'll gladly do that. > > Thanks, > Simon > > PS: Just to clarify: While I am fairly confident that I have an idea > about what the other team members think on that issue I do not speak on > their behalf. All of the above are my own opinions, this is not an > official statement. > > -- > si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ > _______________________________________________ > gimp-user-list mailing list > List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list _______________________________________________ gimp-user-list mailing list List address: gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
