On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Owen Taylor <otay...@redhat.com> wrote: > The only real cultural mismatch I think exists here is what the right > response is to do if the user gets confused by a menu that says: > > Suspend > Hibernate > Power Off > Restart > > Is the right thing to do to provide training for the user, or is the > right thing to do to improve the user interface? I'm strongly of the > opinion that we should improve the user interface. > > - Owen >
Well then couldn't there just be a 'Power Off' and 'Suspend' option in the menu then? That doesn't seem too confusing... Suspend = "I'll be back in a bit and want to get back to what I was doing". Power Off = "I'm done for a while and just want to turn the computer off". Of course the power off option should follow current behaviour of asking wether one wants to power off or restart. > [ I'll try to find time to write up some comprehensive, far too long > response that goes in detail into design considerations, environmental > consideration, etc. But for now, let me say that this discussion > stopped being productive several months ago. We'll revisit the > power-off situation at some point before 3.2, but thousands of > pages of mailing list discussion rehashing the same points isn't going > to be taken into account at that point. This also applies to repeated > comments on Bugzilla bugs rehashing the same points. If someone brings > up the subject on this list, please just say "Yes, this has been > discussed a lot, here's the bugzilla #, also see the list archives" ] > > On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 13:28 +0200, Rovanion Luckey wrote: >> >> The whole argument for not having Power Off as a visible option in the >> menu seems to boil down to cultural convention. And I hope everyone >> here understands that people do things in different ways in different >> cultures. Sometimes people even do things differently than the local >> convention. >> >> You cannot design Gnome to fit the standard behaviour of your specific >> culture. The number of people in your culture is vastly outnumbered >> by the ones not in your culture. The solution to a behavioural issue >> in your culture may have been to remove the power-off button. But it >> also breaks Gnome-Shell for everyone who does not do things the way >> things are done in your culture. >> >> >> So removing functionality might just make sense in your cultural >> context, it may make it easier for the population in your culture to >> do what's "better". But in cultures where everyone is already doing >> what's "best", you are removing functionality that everyone uses for, >> from their cultural context, what seems to be no reason what so ever >> and. >> >> Maybe the reason why there have been so many strong reactions to this >> decision is because from other cultures than yours, it makes no sense. >> Until I read the last parts of this thread I could not for the life of >> me understand why someone would make such a decision. But that was >> because it was trying to solve an issue that did not exist in my part >> of the world. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > gnome-shell-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > -- Diego Fernandez - 爱国 _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list gnome-shell-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list