I think that would be wise. Personally I am very careful to update OS in general, just jumped to 13 from 12 the other day. Lagging about one year.
> On 25 Sep 2023, at 14:38, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: > > Does this mean I should hole off upgrading to Sonoma for a bit? > > Michael Barton > School of Human Evolution &Social Change > School of Complex Adaptive System Science > Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity > Arizona State University > > ...Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 25, 2023, at 4:12 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 25 Sep 2023, at 12:30, Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> Niklas, >>> >>> >>> thank you on the committed exploration of this issue, also independently >>> verifying my own findings. >>> >> >> I’m afraid this is a problem that will be a major issue in the time to come, >> that we will have to deal with. Thank you for reporting! >> >> >>> From a layperson perspective it does seem reasonable to me that macOS >>> wanted apps to initialize through a conventionally made and signed binary, >>> and would appreciate if your team would consider that. I hope Apple would >>> offer free signing certificates, or even developer program memberships for >>> open source projects. >>> >> >> It will be difficult to make a “conventionally made” Mac application of >> GRASS, but a "fully working as expected" and signed one is possible. We are >> fully aware that the present solution isn’t optimal, but it has worked. So >> far. Now, apparently we will have to invest the time and sweat for making it >> right. >> >> >>> By chance, did you check whether FreeCAD, the second app I encountered with >>> an ARM release that caused the Rosetta dialog, has the same problem? >>> >> >> Running `/Applications/FreeCAD.app/Contents/MacOS/FreeCAD` from Terminal >> does work as well, so there is the same problem behind I guess. FreeCAD is >> however code signed (so that’s not issue causing the Rosetta problem). >> >> >> Nicklas >> >> >> >>> Their team never replied to my inquiry on X, but perhaps we could help get >>> them started to fix this too. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Gregor >>> >>> >>>>> On 2023-09-25, at 11:59 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Gregor, >>>> >>>> I now had the opportunity to test on macOS 14 RC and I can confirm this >>>> issue. The problem seems related somehow to being initialised by a script. >>>> >>>> I __did___ manage to start GRASS via Terminal: >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Run `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` >>>> >>>> 2. System will complain… >>>> >>>> 3. Go to 'System Settings > Privacy & Security > Security' >>>> >>>> 4. In the settings I enabled GRASS to be allowed >>>> >>>> 5. From now on `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` will >>>> work >>>> >>>> >>>> This is only a workaround, I will look into how this can be solved >>>> properly. Maybe we have to make a binary that does the job the script now >>>> does (that used to be the case some time ago). We should also invest some >>>> time in creating a code signed app as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> Nicklas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 Sep 2023, at 11:01, Nicklas Larsson via grass-dev >>>>> <grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Gregor, thanks very much for the info! At least it ruled some things out, >>>>> but I have still no idea what is causing this and it’s very difficult do >>>>> the needed poking around without a similar setup (macOS 14 without >>>>> Rosetta installed). I’ll have to ponder on this, if this really is caused >>>>> by some change by macOS 14, a solution must be found sooner rather than >>>>> later. >>>>> >>>>> An alternative way to install GRASS with native architecture for ARM is >>>>> with MacPorts [1]. It does, however, involve some Terminal-batics! If you >>>>> are in need for other GIS software like QGIS in particular, MacPorts is >>>>> currently, in my experience, a most solid solution with available GRASS >>>>> plugin (as there is no native official QGIS.app bundle for ARM). >>>>> >>>>> To be continued… >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nicklas >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Compiling_on_macOS_using_MacPorts__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7CtEnL2MQ$ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 Sep 2023, at 16:47, Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Niklas, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> please find my answers below: >>>>>> >>>>>>> `file /usr/bin/osascript` >>>>>> >>>>>> evidently still a universal binary, see this screenshot >>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.13.56?PM.png> >>>>>> >>>>>>> `osascript -i` >>>>>> >>>>>> worked with no noticeable issues >>>>>> >>>>>>> /Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh >>>>>> >>>>>> produced the unverified developer warning as expected. Logically I could >>>>>> and should probably override this, but with 10 years since my last time >>>>>> coding, and having never learned the basics of UNIX, I would prefer to >>>>>> follow the strictest Apple security guidelines, or sometimes perhaps >>>>>> theater, when possible. >>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.21.07?PM.png> >>>>>> >>>>>>> `sw_vers -productVersion` >>>>>> 14.0 >>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.33.25?PM.png> >>>>>> >>>>>>> file /usr/bin/sw_vers >>>>>> universal binary >>>>>> <Screenshot 2023-09-20 at 4.31.23?PM.png> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> Gregor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2023-09-20, at 9:52 AM, Nicklas Larsson <n_lars...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Browsing the content of both GRASS.app and the FreeCAD.app, they seem >>>>>>> correctly to have been built for arm machines. Both are based on conda >>>>>>> dependencies and both are initiated by shell script. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The shell script initialising GRASS involves the use of >>>>>>> '/usr/bin/osascript', which on macOS 12 is a universal binary. Perhaps >>>>>>> something did change with this command, please test the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> `file /usr/bin/osascript` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> `osascript -i` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (which should enter interactive mode, you may exit with Ctrl-C). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could also try start GRASS manually from Terminal: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> `/Applications/GRASS-8.3.app/Contents/MacOS/Grass.sh` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (That step may, however, be prevented because of the app being >>>>>>> unsigned). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For control, the FreeCAD shell script contains the following command: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> `sw_vers -productVersion` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you try that? ’sw_vers' is also a universal binary on macOS 12. >>>>>>> What will the following give: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> `file /usr/bin/sw_vers` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Nicklas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2023, at 20:54, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been corresponding with this GRASS user about how the software >>>>>>>> works with the new Apple ARM processors. Nicklas and I have compiled >>>>>>>> GRASS for ARM processors successfully. These are posted on the GRASS >>>>>>>> for Mac site >>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cmbarton.github.io/grass-mac/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7Cxb64tyQ$ >>>>>>>> ). When Gregor tries to launch GRASS under the new MacOS 14 (Sonoma) >>>>>>>> he gets a notice that Rosetta (Intel processor emulator) is needed. >>>>>>>> They launch on my ARM MacBook Pro with no notice, but I am not using >>>>>>>> Sonoma yet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions about what might be triggering this >>>>>>>> notice at launch time? AFAIK, initialization only calls the following: >>>>>>>> 1. shell launch script >>>>>>>> 2. wxPython >>>>>>>> 3. Python >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there any other module or dependency that gets called at initial >>>>>>>> launch (no maps displayed)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Gregor Hintner <gregorhint...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: GRASS GIS for Apple Silicon Macs >>>>>>>>> Date: September 18, 2023 at 11:34:02 AM MST >>>>>>>>> To: Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I suspect we have had another miscommunication. >>>>>>>>> Let me list the specific steps that lead to the Rosetta prompt: >>>>>>>>> - Download GRASS 8.3.0 Apple ARM or GRASS 8.4dev from your webpage >>>>>>>>> - mount either downloaded Diskimage >>>>>>>>> - copy the GRASS application file from the mounted DMG to the >>>>>>>>> Applications folder >>>>>>>>> - double click and launch the GRASS application >>>>>>>>> - macOS shows a prompt to install Rosetta to continue >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Obviously the prompt only appears when actually launching GRASS, the >>>>>>>>> launch just never progresses past it, and no console or GUI can >>>>>>>>> appear. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To my eyes the OS behavior seems credible in this case, though I >>>>>>>>> obviously have no insights beyond the regular UI level. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could you send me an email contact to the GRASS dev list. I frankly >>>>>>>>> never understood how these lists work, I assume some kind of e-mail >>>>>>>>> chain, but I noticed no actual e-mail addresses on the main GRASS >>>>>>>>> webpage, only on your Mac distribution site. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 8:20 PM, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I lean toward this being a bug in the beta at the moment. The reason >>>>>>>>>> is that installing GRASS should not raise a Rosetta request, at >>>>>>>>>> least until you run GRASS. This is because GRASS is organized as a >>>>>>>>>> set of independent modules, overlayed with an optional GUI. Running >>>>>>>>>> GRASS invokes a shell script (that should not require Rosestta, >>>>>>>>>> since it launches an ARM terminal) and than the GUI in Python 3 and >>>>>>>>>> wxPython. But these should also be ARM compatible. It is possible >>>>>>>>>> that one or more of the >300 individual modules or dependencies >>>>>>>>>> require Rosetta. But these should not call Rosetta until they are >>>>>>>>>> launched. Also, they are mostly in C and Python, with some C++ >>>>>>>>>> code--all of which was compiled under ARM tools. You might post this >>>>>>>>>> question to the GRASS dev list. It is hard to say what is causing >>>>>>>>>> this message to appear in your beta when nothing is launched. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & Ecological >>>>>>>>>> Sciences >>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Understood! >>>>>>>>>>> If possible, and if you deem it worth it, I would kindly ask you to >>>>>>>>>>> eventually address this presumed issue. >>>>>>>>>>> Apple Silicon Mac users like myself will probably avoid to install >>>>>>>>>>> the Rosetta framework also in the future, as more and more apps get >>>>>>>>>>> native releases. >>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, as you offer your work voluntarily and for free, I have >>>>>>>>>>> no way to make demands, I simply submit the suggestion for your >>>>>>>>>>> consideration. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore I would truly hope for someone to develop a lightweight >>>>>>>>>>> iPadOS map authoring app in the future, as foremost the interface, >>>>>>>>>>> paired with Apple Pencil, just fits graphics and geometry oriented >>>>>>>>>>> work very naturally, and I personally see the entire system >>>>>>>>>>> architecture as much more pleasant and intuitive. Lastly I would >>>>>>>>>>> really hope that land survey work can escape the ruthless grip of >>>>>>>>>>> proprietary software platforms like the Autodesk apps. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 4:19 AM, Michael Barton <michael.bar...@asu.edu> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the information. This is helpful. It is possible that >>>>>>>>>>>> a dependency somewhere in the app needs Rosetta. However, the app >>>>>>>>>>>> is compiled with the ARM SDK and an ARM build environment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 7:15 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I use an M2 MacBook Air purchased from Apple.com, running Sonoma >>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The machine shipped with Rosetta excluded from the macOS >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation as standard. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For that reason launching any Intel app will show me a prompt to >>>>>>>>>>>>> first download and install Rosetta, with a GB amount noted, >>>>>>>>>>>>> between 5-10 GB if I remember correctly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your GRASS Apple ARM binaries both show that same Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation prompt upon launch, with no other way to proceed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In comparison, most other Apple Silicon labelled app binaries I >>>>>>>>>>>>> tried, eg. Solvespace, run with no Rosetta prompt and >>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement, as expected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> However, as mentioned before, a second Apple Silicon labelled app >>>>>>>>>>>>> binary, FreeCAD, also causes the Rosetta prompt on my system, >>>>>>>>>>>>> making the possibility of a Sonoma Beta bug a bit more likely. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple, AFAIK, have already reached the RC phase of the Beta >>>>>>>>>>>>> period though, and I have encountered this issue with no other >>>>>>>>>>>>> apps than these two. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I found this article picturing the Rosetta 2 install prompt I >>>>>>>>>>>>> mention, proving the veracity of my account, in addition to all >>>>>>>>>>>>> but confirming the suspected difficulty to remove it after >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GH >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 3:28 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac ARM does not require Rosetta. I am using it on my MacBook >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro 2023 without Rosetta. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you mean by keeping your system free of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosetta or changes in your system installation. I'm running >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacOS 13.5.1. AFAIK, there is no Mac OS installation option to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> include or not include Rosetta. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS makes no changes to the OS. All dependencies are within >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the app. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 6:24 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no practical way to run GRASS since the Mac ARM version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires Rosetta. I want to keep my system free of Rosetta, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any irreversible changes it might make in my system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to run GRASS I would need an actual Apple Silicon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native binary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I read the question correctly this time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 3:13 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You misunderstand my question. Did you try to import a DWG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into GRASS? If so, what steps did you go through and what was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the output in the console? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIchael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 5:29 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hours of online research, this stackoverflow post mentioning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GDAL as at least one possible DWG GeoJSON bridge, and finding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS as one of the only actively maintained Mac compatible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GIS tools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find it puzzling that AutoDesk themselves offer almost no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export format choices for AutoCAD for Mac, see this support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article, and no JSON export for somewhat more capable Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 2:16 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am asking how you are trying to import DWG files in GRASS? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What steps dod you go through? You must have done something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to get the behavior you are asking about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 4:50 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no previous experience with GRASS, I can specify no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific modules. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I simply wanted to find an Apple Silicon compatible map >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authoring tool that allowed me to, import, view and edit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> property line geometry from a DWG file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I might have misjudged the feature scope of GRASS for that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to listing a release as “Apple ARM”, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect it to only contain fully ARM native code, and no x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> architecture dependencies. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really see no room for negotiation or interpretation here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-18, at 1:27 AM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are up to date. The ARM apps are set up to not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require Rosetta for normal GRASS modules. However, whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not a piece of code will run natively with Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silicon depends on how that code was developed and its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies. I am compiling the normal GRASS source code, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however it is designed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You say that you "hoped for GRASS GIS to help me on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DWG to GeoJSON conversion and editing". Which GRASS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modules are you using for this? If it is a regular GRASS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> module, then the best bet is to contact the developer who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is maintaining that module or to post your question on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRASS dev list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 4:42 PM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GRASS 8.3.0 Apple ARM, 23/6/24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - GRASS 8.4dev Apple ARM, 23/8/14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both downloaded today from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmbarton.github.io/grass-mac/download . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both prompted for Rosetta during launch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U subsequently did encounter the same unexpected Rosetta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prompt from the Mac ARM version 0.21.1 of freecad , so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who knows whether macOS Sonoma does trigger some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unexpected incompatibility. Other third party Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silicon, ARM releases run just fine though, eg. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solvespace and everything published on the App Store of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-16, at 8:12 PM, Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.bar...@asu.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you tell me which version you downloaded, when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded it, and when it was compiled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C. Michael Barton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive Systems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://scas.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social Change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://shesc.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://complexity.asu.edu) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona State University >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempe, AZ 85287-2701 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openmodelingfoundation.github.io__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7DeXKUbKg$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, Network for Computational Modeling in Social & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecological Sciences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://comses.net__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7B46j2_8g$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal website: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2023, at 7:44 AM, Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gregorhint...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Prof. Barton, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you for maintaining GRASS GIS bundles for, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed, the world’s best computers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no previous GIS experience, but have come to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look for a way of converting positioning data, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivered to me in 3D DWG format from a land survey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assignment, to IGES or STEP, and GeoJSON for further >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had hoped for GRASS GIS to help me on the DWG to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GeoJSON conversion and editing side, but your most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent listed stable and development Apple ARM releases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have both asked for Rosetta ton run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May I ask you to help me understand why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do run the latest MacOS Sonoma Beta, I see no reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how or why this should affect Rosetta requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gregor Hintner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> grass-dev mailing list >>>>> grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org >>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!dgVkpS9cztwvGGv-hsTRc5Vc0o6QJ28v5wxcBt3iZpXBnC-G0_E1qUasCdMvWceVKSW2z3TMfHwuQ7AoFKuSDg$ >>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ grass-dev mailing list grass-dev@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-dev
