On 24/05/2010 2:02 PM, Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:

Does anybody know any pictures from the 13th century/beginning 14th century where a side lacing could be seen? Except for Spain and Italy:-)

thanks,

Zuzana


Zuzana--

I've been studying 13th century European (mostly English, 'tis true) costume for...um...about 12 years now and I have yet to find any evidence of side lacing that isn't Spanish.

Skipping over all the social, political, and religious reasons why, the look in the 13th century is a simpler and more conservative look than the tightly laced garments of the 12th or the fitted garments of the 14th centuries.

What you *will* find:

sleeves that are close to the forearm but looser in the upper arm--towards the end of the century is when buttoned forearms come into fashion

deep armholes in the beginning of the century (almost a raglan sleeve) which gradually get higher as time goes on

gowns for both sexes cut straight and full through the upper body, high keyhole necklines closed with annular brooches

full skirts with narrow highly-decorated girdles (leather or textile)

mid-calf length skirts with front/back riding slits for men in higher socio-economic classes

continued use of barbette and fillet for women's headwear, with the addition of hairnets, or small coifs worn with those white hats

women's hairstyles start becoming wider

But unless you're Spanish, no lacing.

Jen/pixel/Margaret

Just to add another voice, that's what I've seen too. Wimples also continue through the century. Gowns are often so long and full that you may see blousing over the narrow belt, especially in the upper classes.

Side lacing just wouldn't be needed with 13th century non-Spanish garments.

Also--you may find a garment in some costume books purporting to be a 13th century surcote that shows side lacing. Sleeveless surcote, yes, in the second half of the century. Lacing, no. It's a loose garment that eventually evolves into the sideless surcote. The costume book depiction is probably a misinterpretation of the Spanish style (but even with that it's not the surcote that laces, it's the undergown--and then only on one side!).

Susan
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