On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 18:32, James Gray wrote: > > And their software genuinely is without any merit. > > How can you possibly say that? What is your definition of merit? >
Last post on this topic by me (consider it self moderation). Software has merit when it is usable by the end user without causing the system to fail or to be hacked when used in the way it was designed and how a user can be expected to behave. In addition, it needs to fill a need not currently filled better by existing software, or solve an existing problem in a more user friendly way and with more efficiency. That eliminates a lot of software, not just MS's. Ruben > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruben Safir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == > > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:48:43PM -0400, David Sommers wrote: > >> People that express strong anti-Microsoft or anti-Bill always strike a > >> nerve with me. > >> > >> I can understand that, as a user, a product may not work as advertised > >> or as you intended but this is the exact FUD you knock MS for. > > > > > > No > > > > That's not true. It's, frankly, an ignorant statement, and it's narrow > > minded. > > > > MS is a convicted monopolists, and their software, but not eclussively > > there's, is trusted on the public without any market choice, and backed > > billions of dollars of marketing lies. > > > > They lie under oath. How much more obvious can it get. > > > > And their software genuinely is without any merit. It is insecure, > > it is poorly designed as a fact from a human interface perspective, > > and it is expensive. > > > > There is little I hate more than someone just making excuses for MS and > > then is anyone complains about what is fameously obvious, that they then > > point like the deserved critism of MS is somehow undeserved and is FUD. > > > > Let me understand you, complaining about MS products is FUD, despite the > > fact that it is supported by real science, but MS's billion dollar > > marketing > > and illegal activities is an excuse to defend them? > > > > Please. Save it for the ignorant. > > > > Your arguements have no grounds to stand on. > > > > Ruben > > > >> > >> Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. The Microsoft today isn't the same > >> Microsoft 5 years ago or 10 years ago. I think Windows 95 was "ok" and > >> Windows XP is much better and I'm hoping Longhorn is better than that. > >> I don't run Linux 2.4 anymore and I doubt many of you have a 1.x flavor > >> sitting around either. Live and learn. > >> > >> Do you FUD a MS product before ever installing it? A great example is a > >> recent posting on Slashdot about Microsoft's latest product (in beta), > >> Acrylic. > >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/11/1851231&tid=152&tid=109&tid= > >> 185 > >> > >> The poster immediately bashes Microsoft and says: "Microsoft should be > >> prepared to eat another few million in lost development funds". If, > >> however, you start to read the comments - the unbiased users immediately > >> point out that the user never really understood the product to begin > >> with. > >> > >> Hey - I have a FC3 laptop to my left and my Powerbook to my right but > >> I'm writing to you on my XP box. They all work. > >> > >> I find that Apple and Linux users normally utilize FUD more than any > >> marketing engine out there. > >> > >> And I don't mean to start a war because you don't have to "correct me" > >> on my own personal views and opinions. > >> > >> Couple great blog posts by one of those evil worker bees in the shrine > >> of Bill. > >> http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/13591.aspx > >> Quote: "Some of us come in peace, damn it." > >> http://neopoleon.com/blog/posts/13551.aspx > >> Quote: "I also agree about IE and standards. I'd love to see us > >> put out a kick-ass browser that conforms to standards." > >> > >> (And no - I don't hold stock in MS.) > >> > >> Be fair - be calm - be nice. > >> > >> /David. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg > >> Woodhouse > >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:56 PM > >> To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > >> Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == > >> > >> The way things are going, I'm beginning to wish every message > >> containint the word "Microsoft" (or any of its variations) was sent on > >> to the moderator for approval. I know Microsoft isn't terribly popular > >> around here, but do we need to be so shrill? > >> > >> --- "Richard G. DAVIS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > Lloyd, > >> > > >> > Nothing! Absolutely nothing to do with the subject heading. > >> > > >> > Isn't language wonderful?! Semantic drift in action. Now 'missing > >> > apps' > >> > has a much broader meaning. (sic) > >> > > >> > And, judging by the volume of posts to this subject, 'missing apps' > >> > is a > >> > really interesting topic. ????...... > >> > > >> > I am amused that the comments I made earlier in this thread are > >> > directly > >> > reflected in the discussion that has followed. Recursion in action. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Richard. > >> > > >> > > From: "Lloyd Milligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > Organization: Sea Island Systems, Inc. > >> > > Reply-To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > >> > > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:11:18 -0400 > >> > > To: <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > >> > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] == VistaWeb Missing Apps == > >> > > > >> > > What does this "discussion" have to do with VistA or with the > >> > specific > >> > > subject of this post "VistaWeb Missing Apps"? > >> > > > >> > > Lloyd > >> > > > >> > > >> > ... > >> > .... > >> > ..... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you > >> > shotput > >> > a projector? 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