> I meant having a Criteria type of QL, like what Compass
> does :CompassQueryBuilder queryBuilder = session.createQueryBuilder();
>
> CompassHits hits = queryBuilder.bool()
> .addMust( queryBuilder.term("name", "jack") )
> .addMustNot( queryBuilder.term("familyName", "london") )
> .toQuery()
> .addSort("familyName", CompassQuery.SortPropertyType.STRING)
> .addSort("birthdate", CompassQuery.SortPropertyType.INT)
> .hits();
well...doesn't there exist some existing object version of lucene query
api or something ?
> About the cache :
> You're probably right, but I don't know enough about this.
> I only know Compass also provides some cache.
> About the bytecode enhancement :
> This one is quite important.
Ok, here you/we should probably utilize the lazy properties support we
already have,
but it might require more customization than we have now.
Actually all this stuff might be good usecase candidate for alot of things
we have
talked about doing at some point:
1) Expose CustomQuery to provide hooks for alternative querying
2) Fetch-profiles to allow you to define a "lucene" fetch plan for your
"partial" objects.
3) Lucene as a 2nd lvl cache.
/max
> Support you have several types of Objects that have an "report"
> property, and you want to show all those documents containing the word
> "toto" in their report property.
> The best way is for the query facility to return a collection of those
> documents with their id & report property set (which can be done only by
> getting the result from Lucene), without ever touching the SQL database.
> Forcing all those objects, that might be persisted in different tables,
> to be loaded by Hibernate would be both a performance killer and
> useless.
> But then, if you ever decide to do more than access one of the Lucene
> initialized property, you will need those documents to be loaded from
> Hibernate. This can only be done through some kind of wrapper / mock /
> byte enhancement, whatever you call it. This is what "mixed mode" means.
> You initialize the objects from the Lucene index, but later fetch the
> real persisted object from the database as needed, and in a transparent
> way for the user.
> As I said, in a first implementation, we can always "fetch eager" from
> Hibernate, but some provision should be made to avoid loading from the
> database when it's not necessary.
> If you use mostly the full text search to display search result pages,
> then most of the time, you'll never need to hit the database.
>
> Sylvain.
>
> On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 11:23 +0200, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>
>> All sounds cool ;)
>>
>> I can see the advantage of "converters" which can put elements into
>> Lucence in a better/human manner.
>>
>> The loading of objects from Lucene + "yet another QL" I'm a bit more
>> critical about.
>>
>> Would it not be better to do the following:
>>
>> 1. Use whatever QL Lucene supports to express the query. (What does
>> another QL helps here ?)
>>
>> 2. Do the query against the Lucence index and return id's which then is
>> resolved via Hibernate
>> and possible in 2nd lvl cache. (We could maybe optimize the id lookups
>> via
>> some targetted queries)
>>
>> 3. IFF you really want look into have Lucene be a 2nd lvl cache
>> provider ?
>> (would probably require a "chainable" cacheprovider to have both lucence
>> and ehcache queries in the same app...but that is "sugar")
>>
>> ...maybe there is something I miss because I don't understand what the
>> "mixed mode means" and why you
>> want bytecode enhancement mixed in here ?
>>
>> /max
>>
>> > After chatting with Emmanuel, here is a draft plan for a closer
>> > integration between Hibernate and Lucene for performing full text
>> > queries.
>> > Hibernate annotations for Lucene helps keeping the lucene indexes up
>> to
>> > date, but doesn't provide a query facility.
>> > It also lacks converters that would for example help store a Date with
>> > the proper format in Lucene, so that the alphabetic order matches the
>> > Object's natural order.
>> >
>> > A framework like Compass ( http://www.opensymphony.com/compass ) is
>> > meant to fix this problem, by implementing it's own OSEM (Object,
>> Search
>> > Engine Mapping), and having a query facility that mimics what
>> hibernate
>> > is doing with database side.
>> > Compass can even reuse Hibernate's mapping thus minimizing the
>> > configuration effort.
>> >
>> > One short coming I've found with Compass though is that the objects
>> that
>> > you get when you query the full text engine aren't connected to the
>> ones
>> > in the database.
>> > So if you manipulate them, the changes aren't persisted or can
>> actually
>> > erase some of the information in the database.
>> >
>> > The best way to have a simple and risk free integration is to build a
>> > Full Text query facility that would be closely integrated with
>> Hibernate
>> > & Hibernate Lucene annotations.
>> >
>> > So, querying the Full Text indexes would return objects, like Compass
>> > does, but those objects would be fetched from the database.
>> > Actually, for performance reasons, they could be initialized with the
>> > information from the FT index, and, through byte code enhancement, if
>> an
>> > uninitialized property is read, or a property is set, the real object
>> > could be fetched from the database and read/set accordingly.
>> > Here are a few examples :
>> >
>> > 1) Just make a full text search :
>> > query "toto" would fetch all the object with an indexed field
>> > containing toto from the Lucene index.
>> > If the objects are initialized from the Lucene index, just one
>> > query to the Lucene index is done, and the search results can
>> be
>> > displayed.
>> > => Best performance.
>> > Loading the objects from the database is useless here, and
>> would
>> > only lead to poorer performances.
>> > 2) Make a full text search AND manipulate the objects :
>> > You want to query all the objects with "toto", and increment
>> > their "searchHits" property.
>> > You do the query, with a Load.EAGER parameter.
>> > Only the objects' ids are retrieved from Lucene, and the real
>> > objects are retrieved from Hibernate
>> > 3) Mix both approaches
>> > Requires byte code enhancements.
>> > Can be useful for cases where for some types of objects you
>> > don't want to store all the properties required to display the
>> > search view results in the index.
>> > Only those objects will be loaded from Hibernate.
>> > All 3 modes should work, but we can always begin by
>> implementing
>> > mode 2 only (retrieving only the id's from Lucene, and
>> > initializing the objects from Hibernate).
>> > Everything will still work, but performance will not be
>> optimal.
>> > Later on we can implement mode 3 (which would also solve
>> > situation 1), and the changes will be transparent to the user.
>> > Only the performance will be better.
>> >
>> > Another advantage of integrating the Full Text query closely with
>> > Hibernate is that in some cases where a field isn't indexed but the
>> > query is still simple (fiels x like toto%), the Lucene index would not
>> > be needed, and some queries can be performed directly via Hibernate
>> in a
>> > transparent way for the user.
>> >
>> > To summarize this, the biggest changes would be :
>> >
>> > - Add converters to Hibernate Lucene annotations, like what
>> > Compass is doing :
>> >
>> http://www.opensymphony.com/compass/versions/0.9.1/html/core-settings.html#config-converter
>> > - Build a Full Text query facility similar to Hql / Criteria,
>> > but focussed on full text search (also like Compass's one :
>> >
>> http://www.opensymphony.com/compass/versions/0.9.1/html/core-workingwithobjects.html#Searching
>> > ) but that would make sure the objects retrieved from the Lucene index
>> > behave as if they were retrieved from the database.
>> >
>> > I would be glad to ear from your feedback on this.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Sylvain.
>>
>>
>>
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