oh my god I'm just trying to have a nice quiet sex-filled evening
with my boyfriend and you jackasses keep making my damn phone go
off. I keep thinking it's something important.
go yell about this where you're not disturbing countless others,
please. like on spuf or whatever shit they've replaced that with now
Also when you link to whatever the hell that graph is, you should
probably adjust it so that it actually illustrates your point.
All I can think of is that scene from Futurama where Hermes says
"As this shocking graph indicates...
<http://i.imgur.com/obuEVmj.png>" Except it's worse. Also, make
the graph display the last two years and there's actually a trend
upwards?
Also, this is not the place to discuss religious belief. Why the
hell would you open that can of worms here and intentionally piss
off the people on this list who may be religious? I'm all for
tearing down religious institutions, but the fucking HLDS mailing
list is not the place to do it.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Robert Paulson
<thepauls...@gmail.com <mailto:thepauls...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is about as inane as a creationist saying: "Prove it,
prove evolution is real. You don't have any "real" evidence.
You weren't there a million years ago."
The evidence I have provided is as solid as anyone outside of
Valve is going to get. But of course you knew this and you
are less interested in the truth than winning an argument.
A more astute analogy than your school shooting analogy,
would be if you refused to believe in global warming despite
CO2 emissions being the most obvious and plausible
explanation. You would just keep repeating the old tired
cliche about "correlation doesn't imply causation".
> But even with my findings, that still isn't enough for me
to stand up and say, "There is no loss of players" because
that's not evidence. That is personal observation of a
limited sample size.
That's because global players counts are available. If they
were not available I bet you would be arguing about that instead.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Phillip Vector
<t...@mostdeadlygame.com <mailto:t...@mostdeadlygame.com>> wrote:
>It is a perfectly valid explanation to anyone who has
actually played on community servers
Prove it. Prove to me that this is a direct result of the
quickplay change and nothing else. Not what you assume,
but what you can prove is what I am after. For example, I
can say that the amount of cars driven is the reason why
there are more school shootings. Number of cars goes up..
Shootings go up.. So it must be the case. This is exactly
what you are doing with the quickplay argument you are
presenting. Numbers went down. Valve stopped sending new
players to community servers around the same time.. That
must be the reason.
>You appear to be someone who only plays on official
servers so you have no idea how many people have just
stopped playing because they realized Valve is draining
all the new players and they can't stand official ones.
and you don't have any idea as well. Personal comments
aside, the community servers I hang around are going
strong today as they ever were. I'm not seeing a loss of
players (except some here or there, but we get new people
in to replace those). But even with my findings, that
still isn't enough for me to stand up and say, "There is
no loss of players" because that's not evidence. That is
personal observation of a limited sample size.
>Until you have a better explanation this one is the
simplest and most obvious.
Sorry. You don't get to put your guess up and say,
"Unless you can do better, this is what is the truth".
Facts don't work like that. We should just agree that
NEITHER of us know for SURE what is the cause, though we
have our guesses (You, Quickplay. Me, Crappy Community
servers).
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Robert Paulson
<thepauls...@gmail.com <mailto:thepauls...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is a perfectly valid explanation to anyone who has
actually played on community servers. You appear to
be someone who only plays on official servers so you
have no idea how many people have just stopped
playing because they realized Valve is draining all
the new players and they can't stand official ones.
Until you have a better explanation this one is the
simplest and most obvious.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Phillip Vector
<t...@mostdeadlygame.com
<mailto:t...@mostdeadlygame.com>> wrote:
>"TF2 just got old" is not a valid explanation.
Neither is "Quickplay must be causing it".
We don't know. That's the pure truth of it. We
can't know for sure. So stop trying to make it
fit one of your pet theories.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Robert Paulson
<thepauls...@gmail.com
<mailto:thepauls...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Repeating the same overused quip is not a
valid excuse to ignore all the evidence. "TF2
just got old" is not a valid explanation. 1
out of every 5 players just decides to stop
playing when summer vacation starts?
Please... get real.
This year
http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=1388563200000&to=End+Time
Last Year
http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=1357027200000&to=1370415600000
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Phillip
Vector <t...@mostdeadlygame.com
<mailto:t...@mostdeadlygame.com>> wrote:
>And that thing is Valve removing
community servers from quickplay.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Player counts being lower does not mean
that it's because of the quickplay decision.
Yeah, I know I said it before. You stop
repeating that unsupported assumption,
I'll stop reminding you that you are
committing a logical falicy.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Robert
Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com
<mailto:thepauls...@gmail.com>> wrote:
*Goes to search for Interstellar
Marines*
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
Not even in the list with the last
game having 1000 players.
Most people that prefer FPS can't
stand MOBAs such as myself. People
getting bored of a game means a slow
decline, this decline looks fast to me.
There is absolutely no reason for
player counts to drop after summer
this year when it has increased every
other year before this unless
something is really wrong. And that
thing is Valve removing community
servers from quickplay.
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