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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Caryl Bigenho)
2. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Adam Holt)
3. Re: Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True? (Dave Crossland)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:32:20 -0600
From: Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>
To: Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>, Sean Daly <sdaly...@gmail.com>
Cc: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>, "iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org"
<iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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Hi Dave,
At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is "mostly
true." However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be during regular
class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science club or robotics club. Other
times students might be working together on some kind of media projects using the Sugar
Software, etc. The possibilities are almost limitedless.
In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the students
are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at home to
complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific research.
Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or grandparents, teaching
them how to use it.
But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be
during regular class time.
Caryl
From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
To: sdaly...@gmail.com
CC: la...@somosazucar.org; cbige...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Hi
Okay cool.
Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.
My next question:
Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
school/classroom setting"?
Cheers
Dave
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:18:03 -0400
From: Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>
To: Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>
Cc: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>, iaep
<iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
classes (and outside of classrooms too!) in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc
at last? At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay?
Is Uruguay actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how? Who can tell
urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?
Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
"Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!
http <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>://
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>wiki.laptop.org
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>/go/OLPC:Five_principles
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>
Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and Margaret
Mead) when we need them?!
Hi Dave,
At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is
"mostly true." However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be
during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science
club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on
some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The
possibilities are almost limitedless.
In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the
students are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at
home to complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific
research. Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or
grandparents, teaching them how to use it.
But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be
during regular class time.
Caryl
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From: d...@lab6.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
To: sdaly...@gmail.com
CC: la...@somosazucar.org; cbige...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
Hi
Okay cool.
Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.
My next question:
Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
school/classroom setting"?
Cheers
Dave
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:14:48 -0400
From: Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>
To: Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>
Cc: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>, iaep
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Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
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Hi!
On 23 April 2016 at 22:18, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
classes (and outside of classrooms too!)
Sure, its possible. Do you think its probable?
in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc at last?
Homes suggests "Child Ownership," and like schools, racking up many hours
of usage; while libraries and cybercafes suggest to me racking up a few
hours of gaming.
At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay? Is Uruguay
actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how? Who can tell
urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?
Well, does Sugar Labs have a table listing each user community
("deployment") and a person in each community who Sugar Labs can talk with?
If not, let's make such a table :)
It isn't clear to me where these 3 million XOs went... I heard that OLPC
didn't and won't make an easy to access list of all deployments available
because they are scared about other companies taking away their customers.
There seems to be enough published information to piece something like that
together, though.
Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
"Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!
http <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>://
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>wiki.laptop.org
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>/go/OLPC:Five_principles
<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Five_principles>
Please could you clarify what you mean by "action" there?
I understand those 5 principles were written some 10-12 years ago. I am not
sure how much they are related to Sugar in 2016, or to the actual actions
of OLPC itself over that period; it seems they quickly became OLCP's
preferences.
Child Ownership: It seems that most XO laptops were bought by schools and
did not become 'owned' by the children using them, with some exceptions.
Since Sugar Labs doesn't sell laptops, this is no longer relevant; and
while I think SL should sell pre-installed laptops, I can't see how this
could be a principle going forwards in recognition of
schools/libraries/cybercafes/etc.
Low Ages: It seems that XOs did become used by children aged 6 to 12. The
keyboards are too small for anyone older ;) And Sugar's UX does seem to
work for kids in this age range.
Saturation: That wiki page offers levels of "a country, a region, a
municipality or a village." Even with this caveat, I have no idea to what
extend this is common in active deployments today; seems we need the table
I describe above :) Since laptops/desktops are no longer the only form of
computer that kids use, and indeed, probably now the minority form, then
Sugar seems unlikely to have saturation even in a community where every kid
has an XO.
Connection: We have just been talking about how communities without
effective internet access may be helpful to focus on, reversing this
principle; although I think www.outernet.is provides a powerful solution to
this which wasn't available until recently.
Free and Open Source: It seems that the XO-4 contains more proprietary
software than the XO-1; and since Sugar isn't actually GPL, it seems Sugar
Labs only has a preference for this.
Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and
Margaret Mead) when we need them?!
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves :D Making the table above is some
effort. Starting simply, who reading this email is actually in touch with
say a group of 10 or more kids with XOs?
Cheers
Dave
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