Pak Yatno..lapor saja orang itu GW Bush
On 7/25/06, Y S Yuwono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Saya tidak bermaksud minta pencerahan karena sudah banyak dibahas
sebelumnya.
Saya hanya prihatin pada penyebar isu ledakan nuklir itu, bisa menyulut
kebencian kepada negara tertentu. Waktu itu saya tidak berani jawab karena
kawatir akan dicap pro negara tertentu, karena orang yang bicara itu bernada
emosional.
Salam,
Yatno
----- Original Message -----
From: "M Fakhrur Razi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <iagi-net@iagi.or.id>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] ledakan niklir????
> Pak, ini ada penjelasan lebih spesifik ttg "cahaya gempa" atau EQL
> (earthquake lights)
>
> saya kutip dari paper berjudul "Earthquake lights and the
> stress-activation
> of positive hole charge carriers in rocks by France St-Laurent , John S.
> Derr , Friedemann T. Freund" >> papernya malah dari pak Franc :)
>
>
>
> ==================================
>
> On the basis of the foregoing discussion we propose that the luminous
> phenomena associated with earthquakes, often called earthquake lights,
> EQL,
> are caused by electric discharges. The source of these discharges lies in
> the Earth's crust, in confined rock volumes that represent asperities and
> build up high and rapidly increasing stresses as part of the earthquake
> preparation process. Such stresses activate electronic charge carriers
> that
> lie dormant in the rocks. These charge carriers are p-holes and electrons,
> of which the p-holes have the unique property that they
>
> can propagate through otherwise insulating rocks. If the rate at which the
> p-holes and electrons are activated exceeds the rate at which they can be
> dissipated, a situation may arise where the p-holes form a degenerate
> solid
> state plasma that can burst out of its confined rock volume and propagate
> at relatively high speed through the overlying rocks. When this charge
> cloud
> intersects the Earth's surface, it causes ionization of the air and,
> hence,
> corona discharges, which are accompanied by the emission of light. The
> many
> different forms and shapes of EQLs that have been reported suggest that
> the
> conditions of the solid state plasma and its discharge through the Earth's
> surface can be highly variable. Our conclusions seem to be consistent with
> not only the observed luminous phenomena but also with the reported
> emission
> of radio-frequency electromagnetic radiation and other effects.
>
> =====================
>
>
>
> sedangkan dentuman itu sendiri, bukannya sudah dijelaskan di milis ini
> satu
> bulan yang lalu ketika pak Irwan menerangkan ttg suara misterius dari
> imogiri, berikut kutipannya:
>
>
>
> On 6/30/06, Irwan Meilano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> High-frek P-wave apabila sangat dangkal akan menghasilkan suara yg bisa
> kita
> dengar lansung (kalo dilaut disebut juga T-wave (acoustic wave)). Sesudah
> high-frek P-wave yg amplitude-nya sangat kecil, baru low-fre P-nyadatang
> dan
> terasa goyangan..dan sesudah itu baru S-wave yg lebih bergetar.
> --------
>
> saya tambahin dengan kutipan berikut:
>
> P wave [the primary wave, which people usually feel as a bang or thump]
> would be pretty distinct. ... There would probably be a few seconds of
> somewhat random shaking before it really got going. ... It's pretty common
> to have a little bit of time between when you first feel things going and
> the very severe shaking. That's a real critical period because, in this
> case, this is an earthquake where there's no question you should take
> cover."
>
>
>
> jadi, semuanya bisa dijelaskan secara ilmiah, tidak ada misteri atau
> ledakan
> bom nuklir seperti yang digosipkan orang2 awam.
>
>
> On 7/20/06, Franciscus B Sinartio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> apakah mungkin ledakan tsb disebabkan oleh ledakan air laut yang berusaha
>> mengisi lubang hampa udara yang terbentuk karena adanya movement misalnya
>> fault.
>> efek seperti inilah yang dipakai sebagai "impulse" energy di airgun pada
>> waktu survey seismic di air.
>>
>> jadi mungkin kejadiannya seperti ini, ada fault yang terjadi dan fault
>> tsb
>> meninggalkan suatu "space" yang hampa udara. nah pressure dari ruang
>> hampa
>> udara tsb. lebih kecil dari pressure air. jadi lah air tsb "collapse".
>> sehingga terjadilah ledakan. process ini juga yang mentrigger tsunami.
>> kalau ledakan nya karena nuklir maka airnya tersembur keatas. ada yang
>> lihat air tersembur keatas nggak????
>> kalau pijaran api karena apa ya? Vick teori aurora yang kamu sebutkan
>> terjadinya gimana???
>>
>> fbs
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Rovicky Dwi Putrohari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:34:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] ledakan niklir????
>>
>>
>> di salah satu tulisanku yg aku kasih link tersebut aku bandingin antara
>> gelombang nuklir dengan gel gempa.
>> Nah tinggal bantuan BMG ada yg bisa ngasih aku nggak ya ?
>>
>> RDP
>>
>> On 7/20/06, Hendri Ruslan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Pak Rovicky,
>> > Apa tidak bisa kita menjelaskan bahwa gempa kemarin bukan akibat
>> > ledakan
>> > nuklir dari sifat dan kecepatan rambat gelombangnya (P, S dsbnya).
>> Mungkin
>> > teman-teman di BMG bisa membantu dan menampilkan hasil rekaman seismik
>> > gempa
>> > kemarin dan bentuk rekaman dari suatu ledakan buatan.
>> >
>> > Terima kasih,
>> > Hendri R.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rovicky Dwi Putrohari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: <iagi-net@iagi.or.id>
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:57 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [iagi-net-l] ledakan niklir????
>> >
>> >
>> > > Mungkinkah Nuklir ?
>> > >
>> > > Jawaban tentang dentuman dan bola cahaya bisa dibaca ditulisan :
>> > > http://rovicky.wordpress.com/2006/07/18/aurora-pertunjukkan-angkasa/
>> > > dan juga alternatif penjelasan seperti uraian pak Marufin :
>> > > http://rovicky.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/samudra-yang-kembali-bicara/
>> > > juga baca ini :
>> > > http://rovicky.wordpress.com/2006/06/06/tandatangan-gempa-2/
>> > > dan ini :
>> > >
>> >
>> http://rovicky.wordpress.com/2006/06/30/glung-bleg-dan-danau-bantul-di-jogja/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > rdp
>> > >
>> > > ===================
>> > >
>> > > On 7/21/06, Y S Yuwono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >> Rekan-2 milis yth.
>> > >> Kemarin waktu saya lagi servis motor, di ruang tunggu bengkel
>> > >> ngobrol
>> > >> sama
>> > > pelanggan lainnya termasuk topik yang hangat, yaitu tsunami dan gempa
>> di
>> > > Pangandaran dan Ygya. Saya kaget setengah mati, bahwa teman ngobrol
>> > (saya
>> > > tidak kenal) itu beranggapan bahwa ada kemungkinan besar bahwa gempa
>> dan
>> > > tsunami disebabkan ledakan nuklir oleh negara maju di Samudera
>> > > Hindia.
>> > Dia
>> > > tidak menyebut secara jelas tetapi dari nada bicaranya kok
>> > > keliatannya
>> > > menunjuk Negara A S yang melakukan percobaan nuklir itu(?).
>> Betul-betul
>> > > saya
>> > > kaget atas kesimpulannya yang katanya menurut saksi mata ada suara
>> > ledakan
>> > > sebelum gempa dan tsunami, dan ada kobaran api (?) di tengah laut!!!.
>> > >> Wah isu ini rupanya banyak tersebar di kalangan masyarakat Jawa
>> > >> Barat
>> > >> dari
>> > > strata bawah, aku sampai gak berani komentar dan terdiam seribu
>> > basa!!!!!!
>> > >> Salam,
>> > >> Yatno
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> >
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