On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM, N S <nsn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi PJ, ilugd list, > > @PJ: Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective in detail. > > I'm giving a concrete example, based on personal experience of some rather > "in the air" points I put forward in my previous mail. > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:24 PM, PJ <pee...@hotpop.com> wrote: > > > <nsn...@...> writes: > > > > > Hi People, > > > Time for the Naligator to surf right in. > > > > [snip illuminating perspective by N] > > > > The crux of my question remains: RHCE guys should be good at > > their stuff, seeing how probing the exams are. > > > > But for some reason, none of the RHCE guys I interviewed about > > half a year ago were people I would entrust to run the company > > servers. I was even told the possibly apocryphal tale of Mary, > > who when he was searching, would filter out the RHCE candidates > > and chuck them in the bin. It was a relief when I managed to unearth > > someone with the qualities of constant learning that you describe, > > along with the required abilities and mindset. > > > > So what was it that I was uncovering in interviews that were > > putting me off and weren't coming out in the RHCE scores? > > > > > Damned if I can remember the details now and articulate it. I > > think it was linked with the constant learning aspect and surprising > > blanks in knowledge and ability. Something missing in the mindset > > too, I think. Stuff that Nalin touched upon. > > > > Here is a personal experience I had earlier in my career-- that illustrates > some of whats wrong with sysadmins and IT-departments in a lot of indian > company. > > > > >(1) what a company's IT goals are; > > > > > >(2) what the approach and background of your > manager/superior/organization's > >management are > > > >(3) what are your own career plans and willingness to be flexible; goal > oriented and team oriented. > >I cant generalize much on (1) and (2) above in a public forum-- but on (3) > my views are as below:-- > >(a) Do you want a stable average paying position even if you want tech > compromises ? > > > I once worked for a Bangalore office of a very large Indian networking > company that had set up their bangalore presence just 1-2 years before I > joined fresh out of college. > > At the time, the IT guys-- the sysadmins-- were administering a network of > WIndowsNT 4.0 machines; with a HP-UX server and also some Linux presence > included. The sysadmins were contract workers the company outsourced (I > think either from Compaq OR from HP-- at the time, Compaq hadnt yet been > acquired by HP). > > Soon a IT manager came-- who was a company employee-- answering only to the > Bangalore Center's General Manager-- who was the goto guy for the GM and > all > the project managers. > > This IT manager had some power issues--- he liked to pretend he was > managing > the IT operations of a bank or of some government office with data-entry > operators and confidential info. > > This was a tech company-- and mind you-- the people being denied access to > their own computers were programmers-- who had been selected from amongst > the best in their respective colleges. > > He would force programmers to justify every small requirement they had; he > would refuse to give local system windows NT passwords-- and he would try > to > make programmers feel that if he wanted he could selectively force a few to > justify their bandwidth usage and even usage of printers--- and he would do > that only with the college-fresher programmers-- while being docile and > nice > to senior people--- he would also selectively deny a few project managers > who were new or naive access to softwares their teams needed and satisfy > his > ego by forcing project managers to run circles around him or one of his > guys. > > As you yourself can imagine--- openness and tech competence became a > no-no--- and since he held the keys to each of the sysadmin's salary and > salary hikes-- and even continuation at our site--- the sysadmins who could > propogate his power game--- of keeping people worried and harried got > ahead-- and those were the ones who apart from getting promoted got umpteen > attempts at the competence exams. > > Perhaps, the sysadmins who were acting oversmart-- denying people access--- > actually believed they were doing a good job--- perhaps they actually felt > that the guys standing up to the MIS deptt actually were the villains. > > Also, you yourself can understand-- that any sysadmin who knew more but was > not "trusted by the boss"-- would be milked for knowledge-- but not given > credit or positive appraisals for his technical knowledge or skills. > > Also, anyone in this IT deptt who took initiative or was cooperative-- > would > be shown as deviating from the company's IT policies and "overlooking > process compliance norms". > > You yourself can imagine the kind of hell-hole that was--- and you yourself > can imagine that if programmers-- were stressed and harassed--- what the > situation of the guys who were actually the sys-admins would have been. > ----- > > Coming from such a environment--- which I am sure-- is much worse in the > Desi-Khandani-Karobaar type of companies... you yourself can imagine what > the environment is... > > I personally would suggest and recommend to all my sysadmin brothers to > please guys--- dont let the system ruin you--- keep learning; keep > talking--- and keep helping users-- because that's what will take you to > the > top-- no matter what some beaureaucrat with british-era-jailer type of > fantasies thinks. > > > That's why sysadmins, have a look again at my last mail... and share > comments if any... and dont ever give up serving the customer-- because > that's where you really learn and evolve. > > Regards, > > NS > _______________________________________________ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ >
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