It is best to understand the meaining of "in the grave" as being "beyond this life".
There is no reason to believe the rooh is PHYSICALLY in the dunya.
On 7/13/06, shinwarishinwari <shinwarishinwari> wrote:
In the name of God...according to my little knowledge...as explained by islamic muftis....in grave, soul has to be ordered by its Creator to come back to the body of the deceased...and after Munkir Nakeer questioning the soul has turned back to skies with the permission of Allah (SWA).there is a question in my mind..is it possible for the soul to be in grave without the physical body...i mean the body has to be finished after some time in grave...and if the answer is yes ..then can we call this belief of Hindus as true too for what they think about presence of roohs or so called 'Aatma" in this world.Need help...thanks!YOU ARE WRONG MY DEARREAD WELL ANY AUTHENTIC THAFSEERTHIS AAYATH IS REGARDING TO WHOM? DON'T READ MODERN ENGLISH TRANSLATION . READ ANY ARABIC THAFSEER.IF SO, HOW THE DEAD PERSON CAN ANSWER TO MUNKER AND NAKEER ANGELS FROM QABAR?THERE IS A SAHIHUL HADEES SAYING THAT OUR PROPHET (S) WILL HEAR OUR SALAAM DIRECTLY IN FRIDAY AND OTHER DAYS ANGEL JIBREEL (A) WILL BRING TO OUR PROPHET (S) AND RETURNS BACK OUR SALAAM ALSO.STUDY WELL BEFORE COMMENTING ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAMDON'T FOLLOW ORIENTALISTS WHO IS WRITING MANY TRANSLATIONS TO DESTROY ISLAMIn the Name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful
Verse 35.22 is crystal clear that human beings still living in this world cannot make those to hear who are in the graves.
And yet, many Muslims today believe that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and many other pious, saintly people, in their graves, do hear those who remember them and ask them to pray to and intercede with Allah for them. This belief is said to be based on two Qur'aanic verses, 4.64 and 2.154.
The original Arabic texts of the 3 verses, mentioned above, are given in the attachments. Their English translations are as follows:
35.22 Neither are the living and the dead alike. Allah makes anyone, He wishes, to hear. And you are in no position to make those to hear who are in the graves.
4.64 And We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by Allah's leave. And had they indeed come to you when they had wronged their own selves, then prayed Allah to forgive them and had the Messenger too prayed Allah to forgive them, they certainly would have found Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
2.154 And say not of those killed in Allah's Path, "Dead persons." Nay! They are living, but you perceive not.
The words 'those ....... who are in the graves' in verse 35.22 are significant. These words also cover those persons who are buried in the graves, but are living in terms of verse 2.154. This means that human beings, living in this world, cannot make those in the graves - whether dead or living - to hear.
Now, let us study verse 4.64. The personal pronoun 'you' therein stands specifically for Prophet Muhammad. So some Muslims seem to think that even now, over 14 centuries after he was put in his grave at Medina after a natural (and not violent) death, if people go to the Prophet's grave and pray Allah for forgiving their sins, the Prophet hears them and he too prays to Allah on their behalf. And this thinking has derived apparent support from Ibn Kathir who in his Tafseer has reportedly quoted a saying as per which a man, named Otba, sleeping near the Prophet's grave saw the Prophet in a dream. The Prophet tells Otba that Allah has forgiven the sins of an Arabi, whom Otba had actually seen (and not in a dream) earlier, addressing the Prophet at his grave. The Arabi had said that he had heard of the Verse ( 4.64), and in compliance thereof, he had come to him (i.e. the Prophet lying in his grave) seeking Allah's forgiveness of his sins and the Prophet's intercession.
First, our Prophet did not have a violent death; he was not killed. His death was due to natural causes. Verse 2.154 doesn't apparently therefore apply to him. Second, there is no dispute that at his death, the Prophet's body was put in his grave at Medina. Verse 35.22 therefore applies to him, and no living human being here in this world is in a position to make the Prophet to hear, even if, by any stretch of imagination, the Prophet is considered to be living in terms of Verse 2.154.
As against this clear-cut postion seen in Qur'aanic light, we have the Ibn Kathir story, based on a dream, giving quite the contrary position! This is what happens when the clear Qur'aanic verses are sought to be interpreted - and interpreted wrongly - on the basis of sources outside the Qur'aan. We are thus led to believe in things that are opposite to what the Qur'aan says.
The Qur'aan says, in Verse 42.48, that the Prophet was not sent as a protector; his responsibility was but to convey the divine Message. And the Qur'aan says, in Verse 2.154, that there shall be no intercession. But the Ibn Kathir story cited above would have us believe that our Prophet intercedes even while he is in his grave!
Verse 35.22, quoted above, tells us that the living and the dead are not alike. The wrong-doers were asked to come to the Prophet, while he was living in this world, engaged in his given task of conveying the divine Message. They were not called to him when he was in his grave. They were called to him so that they could also get the divine Message direct from the Messenger of Allah. The Qur'aan was not revealed in its full glory, and Islam was not perfected till the very last days of the Prophet. The Prophet's personal guidance was necessary till the Qur'aan was completed and Islam perfected. Because, the Prophet had palpable communication with Allah Almighty, and any problem arising could be resolved by a direct reference to Him. But this need, to be in physical proximity with the Prophet, ceased when the Qur'aan was completed and Islam perfected. It was then that the All-knowing Allah took the Prophet away from mankind. The Prophet had done his duty. He had conveyed the complete divine Message to mankind. Why don't we understand this simple thing!? The Muslims have not learnt any lesson from what the Christians did to their Christ!
The deliberate misconstruction of the said verse has led us away from Reality, not only in respect of the Prophet (peace be on him), but also in respect of many other personalities, who are now in their graves. Some Muslims, in exercise of their 'free wills', have 'given' these personalities Allah's exclusive powers to grant them the boon of a son, or of worldly wealth, or of taking them out of any difficult situation.
And Allah says,
- "Those whom they invoke besides Allah have not created anything, but are themselves created. They are dead, lifeless, and they know not when they will be raised up." [Q: 16.20-21]
- "And they worship besides Allah things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say, 'These are our intercessors with Allah.' Say, 'Do you inform Allah of that which He knows not in the heavens and the earth!?' Glorified and Exalted is He above all, whom they associate as partners with Him." [Q: 10.18]
- "Have they taken others as intercessors besides Allah? Say, 'Even though they have power over nothing, nor any understanding!?' Say, 'To Allah belongs all intercession. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. Then to Him shall you be brought back.'" [Q: 39.43-44]
- "O mankind! An example is given, listen to it: Those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away something from them, they have no power to get that something released from the fly. Weak are the seeker and the sought, both!" [Q: 22.73]
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