The Failures of Nasa's Java3d Fastscript3d " Educational " ------------------------------
program show how unethical conduct leads to failure
and in no way reflects " best methods " for web animation, Java programming, or proper ethical conduct for Nasa staff.
Nasa's Patti Koenig wrote: ------------------------- | | Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | with any questions you may have. | http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery.html
I did, but Dr. Koenig refused to answer them ;^(
Dr. Patti Koenig failed to respond to this e-mail:
Greetings ...
>> I was under the impression that:
>>
>> 1 ) The Nasa / JPL Mars Landings of Robots within the
>> next few months is a relatively important event for
>> Nasa and particularly the JPL where you are employed.
>>
>> 2 ) Educational outreach is a part of Nasa & JPL
>> policy, mission and mandate.
>>
>> 3 ) The Fastscript3d web pages are now offline. ( Why ? )
>>
( this one got a reply, thanks )
>>
>> 4 ) The Fastscript3d programs did not support VRML animation
>> for no apparent reason.
>>
>> 5 ) The Fastscript3d programs placed unnecessary burdens
>> on users related to usability and security settings.
>>
>>
>> Am I incorrect in any of these ?
>>
>> My goals and interests, tools and methods are
>> very similar to your Fastscript3d project.
>>
>>
>> Why did you never post to the Web3d.org www-vrml list ?
>>
>> Why doesn't your program support animation for VRML ?
>>
>>I'll add another ...
6 ) You have been aware of the vulgar and slanderous statments made against __ some __ of the people using the Java3d, VRML, and the Sun VRML Loaders ( as you are ) ...
Do you think government researchers should enourage honest professional constructive communications in the professional forums they partipate in for the mutual beneifit of all those involved and for the benefit of US industry, educational system, and national defense ?
The latest Nasa WITS Mer program failed to run on my system.
8^(
http://wits.jpl.nasa.gov/public/downloadmer.html
-- Paul, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 3:20 PM EST.
Nasa does Web Animation with Java and VRML -------------------------------------------- http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html
^-- updated with Nasa WITS Mer VRML - Java3d model image.
Patti M Koenig wrote:
> Paul, > > I appreciate all of your inputs. I am truly sorry if my reply > was unhelpful. I believe the FastScript3D web site was down > due to a server upgrade but should be back up again in short order. > > Sincerely, > > Patti Koenig > > > > At 10:42 AM 9/24/2003 -0400, P. Flavin wrote: > >> Dr Patti Koenig, Rocket Scientist, Nasa JPL (818) 393-0024 >> >> >> Dear Patti, >> >> Greetings ... >> >> Some of us aid the community by sharing useful information, >> as was posted to the java3d-interest list to which we have >> both been subscribed: >> >> | >> | Subject: Stable VRML Viewer & Servers for Multi-Client Worlds >> | >> | From: __ "P. Flavin" __ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> | >> | >> | >> | The most stable platform for viewing 3d VRML objects >> | >> | is probably Java3d with the Sun VRML Loader on Linux ... >> | ---------------------------------------------------- >> | >> | >> | Nasa uses Java3d & VRML for WITS Mars Rover >> | ------------------------------------------- >> | >> || Using the Web Interface for Telescience (WITS) and >> || the Multi-Mission Encrypted Communication System (MECS) >> || for sequence planning, generation, command and data product >> || recovery. A block diagram of FIDO-WITS operational structure >> || is depicted below. >> || >> | http://fido.jpl.nasa.gov/operations.html >> | >> | [ posted to Java3d-list : January 6, 2003 >> | >> http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0301&L=java3d-interest&P=R7159 >> >> >> Patti M Koenig wrote: >> >>> Flavin, >>> There is a WITS project at JPL that already simulates the rover with Java and Java3D. >>> >>> Since I am not part of that team >>> >>> I am afraid that I can't help you with your idea >>> for the rover animations. >>> >>> I am sorry that I cannot be of more help ... >>> Patti Koenig >> >> >> >> >> 1 ) Asking for help is not something I did. >> >> 2 ) Helping is something you could do, >> why you would make a false statement to the >> contrary is unknown. >> >> 3 ) I know about WITS, please read the above post. >> >> 4 ) education -- not simulation -- is the goal. >> >> >> I was under the impression that: >> >> 1 ) The Nasa / JPL Mars Landings of Robots within the >> next few months is a relatively important event for >> Nasa and particularly the JPL where you are employed. >> >> 2 ) Educational outreach is a part of Nasa & JPL >> policy, mission and mandate. >> >> 3 ) The Fastscript3d web pages are now offline. ( Why ? ) >> >> 4 ) The Fastscript3d programs did not support VRML animation >> for no apparent reason. >> >> 5 ) The Fastscript3d programs placed unnecessary burdens >> on users related to usability and security settings. >> >> >> Fastscript3d is now offline ? >> --------------------------------------------- >> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery.html >> >> >> >> Am I incorrect in any of these ? >> >> >> >> I'm getting a : >> >> " connection was refused when attempting to >> ------------------------ >> >> contact fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov " message. >> >> >> Why ? >> >> >> My goals and interests, tools and methods are >> very similar to your Fastscript3d project. >> >> >> Why did you never post to the Web3d.org www-vrml list ? >> >> Why doesn't your program support animation for VRML ? >> >> >> >> Nasa does Web Animation with Java and VRML >> --------------------------------------------------- >> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/planetary_earth_moon.wrl >> >> >> Your reply was unhelpful and unprofessional. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> -- Paul >> >> -- Paul Flavin, Java Developer & Web Animator. >> >> >>> At 06:29 PM 9/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>> >>>> Dr Patti Koenig, Rocket Scientist, Nasa JPL (818) 393-0024 >>>> >>>> Greetings ... >>>> >>>> Your Fastscript3d program interests me and I've >>>> read your messages to the Java3d-interest list >>>> and comp.lang.vrml, comp.lang.java3d and other >>>> newsgroups with rapt interest. >>>> >>>> I've be animating your VRML models with Java3d >>>> including your earlier and more complicated models. >>>> >>>> The Nasa JPL Mars Robot explorers now enroute to Mars >>>> are of great interest to school children and Star Wars >>>> fans and can be modeled with Java, including the >>>> arm that can reach for and lift objects much like >>>> Java VRML Chess playing robots can, and as >>>> Lego Mindstorms robots can -- Lego robots have been >>>> controlled by Java as demonstrated by James Gosling, >>>> the creator of Java. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, why don't we build Mars Rover with VRML & Java >>>> and build a Lego Mindstorms Mars Rover to have fun >>>> and teach math ... >>>> >>>> models Real & Virtual that behave like the real thing >>>> and can be controlled from within a browser and from >>>> around the world. >>>> >>>> The Chess Player's chess board is a Cartesian Plane >>>> with a user space world coordinate system of >>>> (0,0) to (7,7) and the Chess Players cabilities >>>> closely resembles the Mars Explorers capabilities >>>> to grasp & move objects. >>>> >>>> As you know Java3d supports multiple views of a >>>> terrain and can let you see the steroscopic view >>>> the Mars Rovers can see, and children could solve >>>> the problem making a dumb robot smart enough to >>>> get around on its own and perhaps play a little soccer. >>>> >>>> I also have a multiplayer, networked, 3d Tank Combat game >>>> ( Java3d ). >>>> >>>> So our tools are up to the task. >>>> >>>> --- and I have the Lego Mindstorms kit already --- >>>> >>>> >>>> So, if it's ok with your mom, could I come over & play ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Nasa Web Animation with VRML with Java w. & w/o Java3d >>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/Ani/ani_mars_robot_arm_java3d.gif >>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/ >>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/vrml97.html >>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/FS_MODEL/vrml-roverR.wrl >>>> >>>> >>>> Robots with Grasping Hands and Arms with multiple Joints >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html >>>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_java3d_editor.jpg >>>> http://home.rochester.rr.com/javajava/Ani/ani_mars_robot_arm_java3d.gif >>>> http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/FS_MODEL/vrml-roverR.wrl >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> -- Paul >>>> >>>> -- Paul Flavin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> Java Developer & Web Animator >>> >>> >> > >
If any one at Nasa could answer these questions about
Nasa's " Educational " Java3d program ...
Thank you.
Sincerely,
-- Paul Flavin, Java Developer & Web Animator ---------------------------------------------- Imaging the Imaigned: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard
cc: Sue LaVoie, Nasa JPL Manager 382, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Vince Realmuto, Nasa JPL Supervisor 3823, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Julian Gomez Nasa, Web3d.org BOD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 To: Patti M Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "P. Flavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Fastscript3d - Java3d & VRML _ with _ animation _ Mars Rovers (#3)References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Patti Koenig wrote:
I had made an observation that when using the vrml loader vrml97.jar within a java3D applet ...
Sincerely, Patti Koenig
At 12:11 PM 10/9/2003 -0400, P. Flavin wrote:
VRML can be Animated in a Browser with Java3d ---------------------------------------------
with __ NO __ changes to the Java policy, with __ NO __ certificates, with __ NO __ additional downloads
with Sun's Xj3d VRML Loaders ... ----------------------------
Nasa uses Java3d & VRML for Web Animation & Sun's Loaders --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/Nasa_3d_animation.html
Nasa's Dr. Koenig wrote : | | [ ____ False and Misleading claims follow ____ ] | | | LOADER PROBLEMS [ No, Dr. Koenig's follies ] | | When I run an applet from the [ Nasa's ] FastScript3D | web site, particularly one that is trying to load a | vrml or other file in, I get error messages about | security vialations in the Java console window. | | Nothing is displayed. What is wrong? | | | If you are running an applet located on a | remote web site that is loading 3D models | or other files, you will often get this message. | | To fix the problem, you can relax you security | to enable you to read the files. Click here to | read Sun's documentation on the policy permissions | | and ___ associated ____ risks. _____ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html
___Risks ___ Security on the Web ___ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ is important and it is important to deal with this issue honestly in a professional and responsible way and your unprofessional unhelpful conduct is irresponsible and harmful.
It is irresponsible for you Dr. Koenig to encourage people to reduce the Security setting of their browser when there is ____ ABSOLUTELY __ NO __ REASON ___ for them to do so.
Please do __ NOT __ repeat the LIES of Yumetech fraudsters.
Ms. Koenig your statments demonstrate
a serious lack of intelligence and integrity -------------------------------------------- and your statements in agregate are misleading and inaccurte with respect to the important issue of
___ Animating 3d in a Browser ___ with Java3d and VRML
and your false statements are consistant with the False and Fraudulent and Criminal Conduct of Yumetech liars Justin Couch and Alan Hudson.
The Sun VRML Loaders can animate VRML in a browser ______ without ______ changing the security setting.
Dr. Koenig: You are a liar or a fool.
Sincerely,
-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator -------------------------------------- Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard
http://xasa.com/grupos/comp/article.php?id=6261&group=comp.lang.vrml http://groups.google.com/groups?&group=comp.lang.java.3d&selm=3ef91fc8.0310090933.55dc9ef7%40posting.google.com
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