Tom, Let's start over. In Windows 7, the simplest or most reliable way to invoke Narrator is to press Windows key+r to bring up the "run" dialog, then type narrator. Wait a second or two and Narrator starts speaking. To close Narrator, tab twice to "Exit." Press spacebar, then alt-y to confirm.
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Jim: I just tried Windows key plus enter to launch Narrator, but couldn't get it to come up. Perhaps I should clarify that I'm using Windows 7 and Jaws 17 here. Can you do this with Jaws active? I tried both with and without Jaws, but had no luck. What am I doing wrong? Tom Behler -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:38 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Press Windows key+Enter, yes this is a toggle keystroke, press it once to turn Narrator on, press it again to turn narrator off. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Hello. I have conflicting instructions here regarding how to start Windows Narrator. One set of instructions says hit the Windows key plus enter simultaneously; this supposedly is a toggle to turn Narrator on and off. Another set of instructions I have here says to hit the windows key plus the letter U. to open the access center; and then press Alt N to launch narrator. Can someone tell me which of these instructions are accurate? Thanks as always! Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of TheHangMan Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 8:35 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Tom, I just press the spacebar once and the password box comes up. If, nothing happens on start up, I switch to narrator and it gets the job done. Jorge -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:13 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Thanks, Mike. I appreciate these additional instructions, and will save for future reference, should the problem recur. Tom Behler -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike O'Brien Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:43 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Hi Unfortunately, the items in the start-up folder are only started after the user has logged in. So putting an icon for JAWS in the start-up folder will not provide speech on the log-in screen. Now that JAWS is speaking on the log-in screen, , you could do the following to help if you have the JAWS starting problem again. 1. Start the computer and wait until JAWS starts talking on the log-in screen. 2. Press tab until you get to the password for your user id, counting the number of times you had to press tab if JAWS again does not speak on the log-in screen, after waiting for a while when you turn the computer on, press tab the number of times you counted, enter your password and press enter. This should get you logged in. When you're logged in, you can always start JAWS by pressing Windows-key and type JAWS?? and press enter. ?? is the version of JAWS you want to start 17, 18, etc.. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:39 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues That's what I believe I did last night. Kind of stumbled upon the solution, but at least it seems to have worked. Tom Behler -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 7:09 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Another method if you are still having the startup problem would be to take a JAWS icon and place it in the startup folder, IE the same place where speak drop box and things like that go to fire up on system boot. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Behler Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Mike: It turns out that, for reasons I can't explain, my computer reverted back to jaws 16, which I also have on the machine. Now that I'm back in Jaws 17, Outlook is performing as it should. I still need to trouble-shoot the log-on screen startup issue, but these steps you gave me should help. I'll keep the steps handy, and continue work on the startup screen issue in the morning. Thank you for your quick response. Tom Behler -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 9:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Hi Tom, You can try the following for your 1st issue, but I can't help with your 2nd issue: Note: The steps below were performed running Windows 7 & JAWS versions 15 thru 18. These steps won't work with Windows 8 or 10, & why they won't is below my steps. For those of you that have Jaws set to start at the Windows log-in screen, but it doesn't, this might work for you. I looked in, msconfig, & found that JAWS Freedom Scientific wasn't at the top of the list on the Start-up Page / Tab, so this is what I did. 1. Press, Windows key + R, to open the run dialog. 2. Type, *msconfig*, without the stars, & press enter. 3. Press, control + tab, until you get to the, Start-up Page / Tab. 4. I arrowed down the list, & unchecked any items above, JAWS Freedom Scientific, on the Start-up Page / Tab. Note: Only uncheck the items / programs above JAWS Freedom Scientific, & nothing else. Pay close attention to what you uncheck because you are going to recheck these items / programs shortly. 5. Tab to the, Okay, button, press the spacebar, & tab 1 time to, Restart, & press enter to restart your computer. 6. Once your computer is booted up repeat steps 1 thru 3, & you will notice that JAWS Freedom Scientific is now at the top of the list. 7. Now, arrow down the list of items / programs on the Start-up Page / Tab, check the items / programs that you unchecked previously, & repeat step #5. Now Jaws should start on the Windows log-in screen when your computer starts. I did the above steps on 4 different computers, both desktop & lattop, &I'm not going to say it works everytime, but it sure works most of the time, which I can say is a damn site better than before I followed the above steps. Take care. Mike Sent from my iBarstool. Take care. Mike Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Behler To: 'Jaws users list' Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need Help With Two Jaws Issues Hello, everyone. Today, I suddenly have been experiencing two Jaws issues. Any help with either of them would be appreciated. I am using Jaws 17 professional, and Windows 7 here. 1. When I re-boot my computer after a shut-down, Jaws no longer speaks at the log-in screen. I seem to recall that someone else had this issue the other day, but don't recall the solution. I have checked "automatically start Jaws at the log-on screen" in basic Jaws options, and also have told Jaws to always start after the log-on screen for me as the main user. Currently, the only way I can start Jaws is via sighted assistance. And 2. I am using Outlook 2016 to manage both my University and personal g-mail accounts. In both accounts, Jaws is now giving me a very expanded list view in my message folders, rather than the short list view I have been accustomed to. The long message list view gives me many more details than I'd like. The abbreviated list view starts with an unread or read status notification, which is very helpful. I'm not sure how to get the shorter list view back. Currently, the folder pane is set to normal, the reading pain is set to off, and the to do bar is off. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. This is very frustrating, since I don't know what caused these sudden changes in Jaws behavior. Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ David Ferrin You don't have to be crazy to run a list like this, but it does help. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
