This topic is also being discussed on the gnu newsgroups and this list can't see those responses. Is there anyway the JDE could get a gnu.emacs.jde group? In my estimation, it has established itself as deserving of this, but I don't know what one has to do to get this. Then, crossposting could be used for discussions like these and we could all benefit from the collective knowledge. -- Galen Boyer Don't know a thing if you ain't coded swing.