2008/6/19 Jonathan Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think we are all chasing things around in circles here. > > o This is all supported by > XEP-0033<http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0033.html> > o No servers support it > o No clients support it > > Jehan to clarify your code (according to XEP-0033): > > ------------------------------ > <message > to='[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > from='[EMAIL PROTECTED]/hotAirBaloon' > type='chat' > xml:lang='en'> > > <addresses xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/address'> > <address type='cc' jid='[EMAIL PROTECTED]/orchard' desc='Romeo'/> > <address type='cc' jid='[EMAIL PROTECTED]/balcony' desc='Juliet'/> > </addresses> > > <body>I know you two are misbehaving.</body> > <thread>e0ffe42b28561960c6b12b944a092794b9683a38</thread> > </message> > ------------------------------ > > PSA and JH made a really good job of that spec for one reason in particular: > multicast.example.org is a component; no need to alter any client/server code > and you could make this yourself today with any XMPP component library. > > Do we need to define another standard? No. Do we, the developers, have to sit > down and look at our code tonight? Yes. > > Toby, today there is no support on the clients/servers (and possible > components). It is something the XMPP community needs to look at, and I > definitely will, but I don't know when you can expect wide-spread results. > Your best bet would be to: > > 1. Wait for a server/component team to implement this feature and upgrade > 2. Wait for a client team to implement this feature and recommend it to your > clients > > The cocinnella chaps seem pretty good at making fast changes: maybe something > for them to look at? They already have the whiteboard which has a private > conference-loving implemenation - maybe someone could have a look at that > code (sorry, not much use at C++ myself)?
Mats does not has much time these days. btw: Coccinella is Tcl/Tk; not C++ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Jeff McAdams >> Sent: 19 June 2008 02:32 PM >> To: Jabber/XMPP software development list >> Subject: Re: [jdev] conversing with multiple users, but not MUC >> >> JabberForum wrote: >> > I think the problem of a muc derived use is about all the stuffs that >> > many people don't care of, or don't understand. When you go to a muc, >> > you must choose a muc server explicitely (even though it is the >> server >> > where you are already hosted) and you are proposed to chose a >> nickname >> > for instance, or whether you want to show your jid, or else being >> > anonymous, etc. >> >> Except that pretty much all of that is a matter of client >> implementation. >> >> The spec for MUC specifically envisioned potentially using it as a >> seamless transition from a one-on-one discussion to a multi-way >> discussion. >> >> The scenario is that a one-on-one discussion is taking place and the >> users decide that they want to add a third person. So one of the >> people invites a third person into the chat. >> >> The client, and this can be completely behind the scenes, needs to go >> create a MUC, potentially send history to it, then send invites to the >> other two users with a <continue/> element. >> >> This is all described in section 7.6 of >> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html >> >> This protocol capability gives clients all the tools they need to >> seamlessly convert a one-on-one to a quick ad-hoc sort of MUC chat with >> multiple people. The user need not be even aware that MUC is being >> used to do it. >> -- >> Jeff McAdams >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." >> -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > JDev mailing list > FAQ: http://www.jabber.org/discussion-lists/jdev-faq > Forum: http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20 > Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev > Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _______________________________________________ > > -- Mvg, Sander Devrieze. _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list FAQ: http://www.jabber.org/discussion-lists/jdev-faq Forum: http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20 Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________
