I'm happy to know that my so simple question about Alex has began the
interesting discussion about biographies, academics, eunuchs, and all that
really complex issues.
It means, at least, that, our friend EJ continues shaking minds and provoking.
I think he was and is a great provoker.
Whatever, its a pity you articulated europeans ,always show us you don't know
anything about our history, people, revolutions, changes.
General Perón was someone very important and interesting in Argentina and in
America Latina.
Yours
marta
--- El jue 5-feb-09, klaus gauger <klaus_gau...@yahoo.com> escribió:
De: klaus gauger <klaus_gau...@yahoo.com>
Asunto: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
Para: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de
Fecha: jueves, 5 de febrero de 2009, 3:49 pm
Dear Stefan,
I don´t know if there is a direct connection between Jünger and Solzhenitsyn,
but in his book "Der Walgang" he attacs totalitarian ideology, communism, but
also the totalitarian aspects of our, the western system, and he tries to find
out how individual liberty can be preserved under the actual circumstances,
with a special focus on the situation in the eastern block, where the
totalitarian tendencies were much stronger than in our system (though also our
system is not really absolutely free and also in our system the individual
liberty is always in danger - we shouldn´t be so naive to think that only in
nazism and communism the individual liberties are in danger - also our system
is not free from pressure and totalitarian tendencies - think only about how we
are manipulated by the medias and the interests of the leading groups in the
economic and political field of our societies - we are manipulated from many
sides and it´s not easy to preserve
a clear sight of what is really happening in our societies.
Yours,
Klaus
--- Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail. com> schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009:
Von: Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail. com>
Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de
Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 17:20
I've followed your discussion and would like to ask you how you understand
Jünger's stance on ideology, or perhaps what role, if any, a critique of this
defining phenomenon of the last century has in his work. The critique of
communism and nazism is course present all over his Paris diaries for example,
but did he ever make this into a, more or less explicit, theme for any of his
books?
I've come to think of this since I've lately spent a lot of time reading
Solzhenitsyn, a man who throughout his life strove to see the person behind the
dangerous generalisations of ideology. Did Jünger have any relation what so
ever to this very great man? In any case, I belive them to be closely related,
in that they both are so very much symbols of the 20th century and that both
were men with a great sense for the spiritual and moral plight of modern man.
Thanks for the enlightening discussion,
/Stefan
2009/2/5 klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com>
Dear Simon,
I am glad that you agree with what I wrote about Jünger and his interpreters.
Jünger polarized often his interpreters, a lot of interpretations a distorted,
because they are written by uncritical admirers and right-wing "Jüngerians" (I
am sure Jünger would have smiled about these self-proclaimed intelectual
right-wing "stormtroopers" ), and some left-wing intelectuals who want to
transform us into political correct consumers in a market-society where you can
find on a material level nearly everything, but no people with brains and some
human values.
Yours,
Klaus
--- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009:
Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de>
Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de
Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 10:54
Klaus, I can only concur with what you say 100%.
(But as I said earlier, I do admit to generalizing a little in order to correct
the academic and political bias in this field.)
Simon
Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com>
An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de
Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 4. Februar 2009, 17:14:23 Uhr
Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
Dear Gerald,
I wrote myself a doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger (it was published by Peter
Lang, Zurich, in 1997 under the title: Krieger, Arbeiter, Waldgänger, Anarch).
But this is not really important, there have been written dozens of doctoral
thesis about Ernst Jünger, some of them are better, some of them are worse. I
think important is only the personal relationship a reader establishes to
Jünger an his work. An aphorism of Lichtenberg says: "If a book and a mind
collide, and it sounds hollow, is it always the books fault?" So I am only
interested in people where the collision between Ernst Jüngers books and their
minds didn´t sound hollow. I am interested in the "Jüngerians" where something
happened when they read Ernst Jüngers books. There are so many academic writers
who despise Ernst Jünger for some reason ("He was a fascist, he wasn´t a
democrat, he was an elitarian solipsist, etc.") and there others who "admire"
him for absurd things
(for example, some right-wing interpreters emphasize his success as a member
of an elitarian stormtroop-unit and his many condecorations in World War I like
the "Pour le Mérite" - you could also admire
nazi-bosses like Hermann Göring for that, he was a member of the flying squad
of the "Red Baron" Manfred von Richthofen in World War I and also earned the
"Pour le merite", like Ernst Jünger). All this is absurd, important is only the
relationship a reader establishes to Ernst Jüngers works in case that
there exists a genuine, affective and intelectual attraction
by Ernst Jüngers work and not the intention to use Ernst Jüngers works for some
political strategy - affirmative admiration for the nationalist and militarist
Ernst Jünger in case of some ultra-right- wing interpreters (these people
usually don´t like the later Jünger, the anarchist, solipsist and apolitical
philosopher) - and rejection and polemic distortion of Ernst Jüngers works by
some left-wing interpreters who only use (or better: abuse) Ernst Jüngers
example to criticize what these ignorants call "elitarian", "fascist" and
"antidemocratic" thought and literature.
Yours,
Klaus
--- Gerald Brennan <brenna...@yahoo. com> schrieb am Mi, 4.2.2009:
Von: Gerald Brennan <brenna...@yahoo. com>
Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de
Datum: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009, 13:26
I have to say this sounds a little black and white to me, as if to say that no
one has a right to an opinion about Jünger. Or perhaps, no one has a right to
an opinion that is different than mine. It also sounds a tad over-generalizing.
Is anyone at a university who teaches a particular subject a "eunuch"? Or as
someone said, a "wanker"? (Mutually exclusive actually) If only the writings
themselves matter, then what are we supposed to write about here in this
newsgroup? Where does a discussion start and how does it continue? I admit
there are a lot of adcademics who have very little of interst to say about
their field of specialization. But I would hate to criticize ALL of them for
the sins of some.
Jerry
>>For me the difference between "the theoreticians" and, let's call the
other group, "us" :-) is that the former takes EJ as a source of
employment, as a pleasant hobby, a Zeitvertreibung, or even a scapegoat
for their own polarized views, whereas the latter understands that his
work can have a real practical benefit for their own personal growth
and understanding of the world. The first group haven't made that
realization yet - but one can hope that during their sometimes purely
onanistic occupation with his work they may start to sense its real
value and make the switch to practical and personal application.
Which reminds me: somewhere Jünger talks about a typical evolution
which occurs in many people's lives from the theoretical, idealistic
left-wing to the practically oriented right-wing. The character
simultaneously becomes more distinct, less generalized. This must be
rooted deep in matter itself, he suggests, which is to say that the
political switch is merely one expression or reflection, and not the
most important, of this fundamental process. Perhaps the same
difference is present between those who see his work theoretically and
those who understand its practical applications.
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