Dear Simon, this book of Friedrich Georg Jünger is today of no comercial interest. I think it´s worth the risk to include the english translation of this book in your website. Yours, Klaus Gauger
--- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedr...@yahoo.de> schrieb am Mo, 9.2.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedr...@yahoo.de> Betreff: [juenger_org] Jünger translations An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Datum: Montag, 9. Februar 2009, 11:11 Dear Richard and List, You did a pretty good job! Incidentally I have a photocopy of the English translation of Perfektion der Technik, which I found years ago at the New York Public library. (Would you like to scan and send you the same pages, just to see how the official interpreter understood it?) I see the book's last English edition was from 1990, but it seems to be out of print now. On Google Books they only have a Excerpts view available. Amazon does have some used copies available however. http://www.amazon. com/Failure- Technology- Freidrich- Georg-Juenger/ dp/0895267470/ ref=sr_1_ 18?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234173276&sr=1-18 This brings up a point regarding translation. It greatly disappoints me that so much of Jünger is unavailable in English and that there is little hope for much happening in the near future. What you say in regard to the Perfektion - that it really could be so useful to a larger public to understand what is happening now - is also true of Zeitmauer and other EJ books. Now my point is that I have been working on a private translation of An der Zeitmauer for some time and I also have translated a large number of the Abenteuerliches Herz stories. I am contemplating what the legalities are of putting this material up on a website, with an explicit disclaimer that this is a purely unofficial translation. Technically even this must be illegal, but what are the real chances of getting in trouble? Probably minimal. Moreover, I wouldn´t have any problem doing this anonymously, without taking any credit, through a google blog or something. What do you all think? Simon Von: Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online. de> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Sonntag, den 8. Februar 2009, 14:29:52 Uhr Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Dear Klaus, I just felt like translating an excerpt from Friedrich Georg Jüngers "Perfektion der Technik" and use this small space here just to show how right this man was! One has to bear in mind that this book has been written some 60 years ago. How precise the analysis there, how clear all the foresight of things to come. In those times words like "Nachhaltigkeit" were hardly used, they were the unbridled times - the years of the "Wirtschaftswunder" . Here goes my attempt at a translation on the subject of all the side effects of our Machine Age from Georg Friedrich's book: "The questionalbleness of everything machine-like, this dubiousness which begins where technology ends, cannot be seen and recognized by the outer appearance of mechanical devices. This questionableness is being recognized by the one who can see the feedbacks those apparatusses have on the general organization of human labour. Fresh insights are to be gained here, and we shall have to pay a hight price for them. Past teachings on economy, depending on the English School, dealing with the fact of a multiplying machinery had one main question to solve: The question was about how sufficient credit acquisition for this machinery would be possible. The controversy surrounding this subject is of little interest nowadays, because technology is in possession of every power for any credits and loans needed. The changes that have been effectuated in the monetary field and which still are being executed teach us about how this is performed. Here, as well as in other fields we are shown that theory is no more able to follow the rapid events. The events just escape. One proof are the errant predictions of the economists on World War One. Some declared such a war an impossibility rightaway, some said if it should happen at all, it would be of very short duration. The proverb about the war nourishing and feeding the war had apparently been completely forgotten. Marx knew nothing about machinery. He had no insight. Because if he had, he could not have assigned machinery the place as a tool and accessory in a world governed by economic laws. Machinery is not ruled by them at all. He could not have known this, because no one knew in his times. Nobody knew then about the impossibility of any economic dealing with machinery. No one knew that the economy of the machine is an illusion. This sort of "economy" can only persist by a perennial expansion of machinery. It can only persist by ruthless and ruinous exploitation. No one knew that no economic laws can apply here. No one knew that on the long run not even a balance of accounts could be accomplished. The economical man and accountant already had this in mind when he resorted to double entry bookkeeping. The entire foundation of economic laws which Karl Marx interpreted into the coming industrial age already began to collapse the moment he drew the concept of his theories. The planet in the age of exploration, being subjected to an ever intensifying exploitation is simply not enough to placate for the insistent pull of exploitation. The increase of exploitable fields and spaces, the increase of every new substratum for exploitation just hides what is obvious for any thinking person. Dass die Vernutzung allen Nutzen überwiegt - That overutilization exceeds all utilization and that man though all his autmated technology is being more and more drawn into a tight corner.. ..etc....etc. .. Perhaps we may also take into account all the exchange Georg Friedrich had with his brother Ernst. E.J. would probably very much have agreed to all that. Kind regards Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: klaus gauger To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: Re: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Dear Richard, yes, you are right, thinking about the ecological problems our industry and tecnology is creating on a world-wide level (climate change, the coming end of the oil-age, destruction of our environment like the big amazonian forest in Brasil, etc.) a book like "Die Perfektion der Technik" seems to be prophetical. Friedrich Georg Jünger says it clearly: "Nicht der Anfang, sondern das Ende trägt die Last". Technology and modern industry might have been a promise in the eighteenth and nineteenth century, but now we are feeling what costs and risks are connected with the industrialization and technologization of our world. I hope Friedrich Georg Jünger is too pessimistic and we can solve our problems, though sometimes - when I see how the politicians worldwide have been treating this eminent problem in the last twenty years- I fear that Friedrich Georg Jünger in the end will be right and we soon will have a global mess created by the uncontrolable sideeffects of industrialization and technologization. Yours, Klaus --- Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online. de> schrieb am Fr, 6.2.2009: Von: Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online. de> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Freitag, 6. Februar 2009, 23:17 Quite interesting, this world-wide chat about Ernst Jünger. Lots to be learned from his writings, of course also for politicians. There's been a musical called "Evita" and thereafter a pop star called "Madonna" (what a presumptuous name) acted as Evita Péron in the suceeding movie Perhaps I should see that movie, because I know next to nothing about the issue. As to E.J. His writings are a gift. Still more so they would be in our times!. Times of general disorientation. People just don't know anymore where's left and right, up and down... In my opinion the Germans lost a chance to give him his due appreciation. He still remains a disputed marginal writer, whereas nobel prices have been awarded to Günter Grass and the likes. Nothing against GG - but EJ doesn't just dwell on the sufaces and the phenomenal. He is so much deeper! Ernst Jünger as well as Georg Friedrich Jünger (his critical book "Die Perfektion der Technik" would be so up-to-date and current - isn't it a pity it has fallen into such an oblivion?) - well both of the Jünger brothers are such deep thinkers!. If only they were more prominent on today's scene - there would be so many more answers to todays problems. But people seem to stick with the ephemeral and superficial. Best regards Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: marta giana To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Re: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Dear Simon, General Perón didn't have children. I guess you are talking about Eva Perón, who was his wife. Yes , I have a positive opinion on General Perón, someone who leads a deep change in Argentina, after World War II, taking distance from both, comunism and capitalism, "creating" with som others (Nasser, Nehru etc) the "third position". He was in Germany and in Italy before the war. His enemies entitled him as "fascist", but he never admit it and his governemnt was more "populista". I don't want to give lessons about peronismo, ¡¡And in English! My God! Our friend EJ helps us not to have teaching and trying to convince attitudes. Thanks a lot for the comment about Eümeswil. I'll try to go again to it, although I'm reading the last EJ Diary, not so moving as the one in Paris, but also interesting. Yours, Marta --- El vie 6-feb-09, Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> escribió: De: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Asunto: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Para: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Fecha: viernes, 6 de febrero de 2009, 9:00 am Dear Marta, I do know who General Perón and his daughter were, and even some of their story - most of what I have heard was not positive. But since this information was really only opinions of others on the matter, I did not feel qualified to make any statement and preferred to say I didn't know his story at all. Your apparently positive opinion on the General makes me curious to find out for myself. By the way, we are not all articulated Europeans on this group - I at least am a South African, though I live in Europe now. Simon Von: marta giana <mamog...@yahoo. com.ar> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 5. Februar 2009, 21:07:38 Uhr Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie I'm happy to know that my so simple question about Alex has began the interesting discussion about biographies, academics, eunuchs, and all that really complex issues. It means, at least, that, our friend EJ continues shaking minds and provoking. I think he was and is a great provoker. Whatever, its a pity you articulated europeans ,always show us you don't know anything about our history, people, revolutions, changes. General Perón was someone very important and interesting in Argentina and in America Latina. Yours marta --- El jue 5-feb-09, klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> escribió: De: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> Asunto: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Para: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Fecha: jueves, 5 de febrero de 2009, 3:49 pm Dear Stefan, I don´t know if there is a direct connection between Jünger and Solzhenitsyn, but in his book "Der Walgang" he attacs totalitarian ideology, communism, but also the totalitarian aspects of our, the western system, and he tries to find out how individual liberty can be preserved under the actual circumstances, with a special focus on the situation in the eastern block, where the totalitarian tendencies were much stronger than in our system (though also our system is not really absolutely free and also in our system the individual liberty is always in danger - we shouldn´t be so naive to think that only in nazism and communism the individual liberties are in danger - also our system is not free from pressure and totalitarian tendencies - think only about how we are manipulated by the medias and the interests of the leading groups in the economic and political field of our societies - we are manipulated from many sides and it´s not easy to preserve a clear sight of what is really happening in our societies. Yours, Klaus --- Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail. com> schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail. com> Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 17:20 I've followed your discussion and would like to ask you how you understand Jünger's stance on ideology, or perhaps what role, if any, a critique of this defining phenomenon of the last century has in his work. The critique of communism and nazism is course present all over his Paris diaries for example, but did he ever make this into a, more or less explicit, theme for any of his books? I've come to think of this since I've lately spent a lot of time reading Solzhenitsyn, a man who throughout his life strove to see the person behind the dangerous generalisations of ideology. Did Jünger have any relation what so ever to this very great man? In any case, I belive them to be closely related, in that they both are so very much symbols of the 20th century and that both were men with a great sense for the spiritual and moral plight of modern man. Thanks for the enlightening discussion, /Stefan 2009/2/5 klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> Dear Simon, I am glad that you agree with what I wrote about Jünger and his interpreters. Jünger polarized often his interpreters, a lot of interpretations a distorted, because they are written by uncritical admirers and right-wing "Jüngerians" (I am sure Jünger would have smiled about these self-proclaimed intelectual right-wing "stormtroopers" ), and some left-wing intelectuals who want to transform us into political correct consumers in a market-society where you can find on a material level nearly everything, but no people with brains and some human values. Yours, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo..de> Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 10:54 Klaus, I can only concur with what you say 100%. (But as I said earlier, I do admit to generalizing a little in order to correct the academic and political bias in this field.) Simon Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 4. Februar 2009, 17:14:23 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Dear Gerald, I wrote myself a doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger (it was published by Peter Lang, Zurich, in 1997 under the title: Krieger, Arbeiter, Waldgänger, Anarch). But this is not really important, there have been written dozens of doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger, some of them are better, some of them are worse. I think important is only the personal relationship a reader establishes to Jünger an his work.. An aphorism of Lichtenberg says: "If a book and a mind collide, and it sounds hollow, is it always the books fault?" So I am only interested in people where the collision between Ernst Jüngers books and their minds didn´t sound hollow. I am interested in the "Jüngerians" where something happened when they read Ernst Jüngers books. There are so many academic writers who despise Ernst Jünger for some reason ("He was a fascist, he wasn´t a democrat, he was an elitarian solipsist, etc.") and there others who "admire" him for absurd things (for example, some right-wing interpreters emphasize his success as a member of an elitarian stormtroop-unit and his many condecorations in World War I like the "Pour le Mérite" - you could also admire nazi-bosses like Hermann Göring for that, he was a member of the flying squad of the "Red Baron" Manfred von Richthofen in World War I and also earned the "Pour le merite", like Ernst Jünger). All this is absurd, important is only the relationship a reader establishes to Ernst Jüngers works in case that there exists a genuine, affective and intelectual attraction by Ernst Jüngers work and not the intention to use Ernst Jüngers works for some political strategy - affirmative admiration for the nationalist and militarist Ernst Jünger in case of some ultra-right- wing interpreters (these people usually don´t like the later Jünger, the anarchist, solipsist and apolitical philosopher) - and rejection and polemic distortion of Ernst Jüngers works by some left-wing interpreters who only use (or better: abuse) Ernst Jüngers example to criticize what these ignorants call "elitarian", "fascist" and "antidemocratic" thought and literature. Yours, Klaus --- Gerald Brennan <brenna...@yahoo. com> schrieb am Mi, 4.2.2009: Von: Gerald Brennan <brenna...@yahoo. com> Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009, 13:26 I have to say this sounds a little black and white to me, as if to say that no one has a right to an opinion about Jünger. Or perhaps, no one has a right to an opinion that is different than mine. It also sounds a tad over-generalizing. Is anyone at a university who teaches a particular subject a "eunuch"? Or as someone said, a "wanker"? (Mutually exclusive actually) If only the writings themselves matter, then what are we supposed to write about here in this newsgroup? Where does a discussion start and how does it continue? I admit there are a lot of adcademics who have very little of interst to say about their field of specialization. But I would hate to criticize ALL of them for the sins of some. Jerry >>For me the difference between "the theoreticians" and, let's call the other group, "us" :-) is that the former takes EJ as a source of employment, as a pleasant hobby, a Zeitvertreibung, or even a scapegoat for their own polarized views, whereas the latter understands that his work can have a real practical benefit for their own personal growth and understanding of the world. The first group haven't made that realization yet - but one can hope that during their sometimes purely onanistic occupation with his work they may start to sense its real value and make the switch to practical and personal application. Which reminds me: somewhere Jünger talks about a typical evolution which occurs in many people's lives from the theoretical, idealistic left-wing to the practically oriented right-wing. The character simultaneously becomes more distinct, less generalized. This must be rooted deep in matter itself, he suggests, which is to say that the political switch is merely one expression or reflection, and not the most important, of this fundamental process. Perhaps the same difference is present between those who see his work theoretically and those who understand its practical applications. Yahoo! Cocina Recetas prácticas y comida saludable Visitá http://ar.mujer. yahoo.com/ cocina/ Yahoo! Cocina Recetas prácticas y comida saludable Visitá http://ar.mujer. yahoo.com/ cocina/
