Thanks Klaus -- I know very little indeed about Ellul, so that link you provided will be interesting. He seems fascinating. Do you think he had any views in common with Tolstoy's Anarchist stage ( or perhaps I am simply making an assumed connection because they were both Christian, and have both been labelled Anarchists )? I have little sympathy with the 'modern' bunch of 'Anarchist anti technology thinkers' such as John Zerzan and others : whilst good in places, I mostly find them too simplistic, derivative, and very amateur in their writing regarding accurate sourcing, footnotes etc. Ellul seems far more interesting. Oh, and did you have the same negative response as I to the Heidegger /Juenger paper I circulated? You know far more than I about both men, so I'd be interested to hear your view. I know almost nothing about Heidegger, and have only been reading Juenger for perhaps a year. Thanks, Greg.
--- On Sun, 20/12/09, klaus gauger <klaus_gau...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: klaus gauger <klaus_gau...@yahoo.com> Subject: AW: [juenger_org] Jacques Ellul To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 10:12 Hi Gregory, Jacques Ellul was an open-minded catholic sociologist and historian, not a very conservative and not a conservative- revolutionary man too. He was an intelligent man and Aldous Huxley - who was one the most brilliant minds of the 20th century - loved him too. There is a good french website about Jacques Ellul: http://www.ellul. org/ Yours, Klaus --- Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> schrieb am Sa, 19.12.2009: Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> Betreff: [juenger_org] Juenger and 'anti technology' An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Samstag, 19. Dezember 2009, 6:19 Hello everyone. Since recent discussion has been about Juenger and Heidegger's views on technology, I thought I'd send a link to Jacques Ellul's 'anti technology' interviews. I know little about Jacques Ellul -- he was an anarchist, but also a contemplative ( similarities to Tolstoy's Anarchism particularly inspired by Sermon on the Mount perhaps? ). Judging from the interview, he could also be viewed as a 'revolutionary conservative' , though I know that some object to that term ,considering it as inherently semantically incongruous. Anyway, the film is most certainly naive, and definitely dated in places -- but there are perhaps some gems here that the boarders may enjoy. http://www.rerunpro ducties.nl/ film%20ellul.htm Greg. --- On Wed, 18/11/09, Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> wrote: From: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Subject: AW: [juenger_org] Juenger and German mysticism To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 10:03 Thanks for the interesting reflections, Greg. Certainly the writings of true mystics must resemble each other - the paths converge near the peak. But I'm out of my depth when it comes to Buddhist scripture. Coincidentally I'm reading Aldous Huxley's "The Perennial Philosophy" at the moment - from what I understand of your interests and background, you'd find it fascinating. You'll find much comparison in this book between German mystics and Buddhism. Comparative mysticism from the point of view of a broadly-read near-mystic himself. Huxley was certainly on the level of Juenger - perhaps not in terms of action, but certainly in terms of insight. Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 18. November 2009, 3:32:04 Uhr Betreff: [juenger_org] Juenger and German mysticism Simon, that's fantastic -- thanks very much indeed for the translation. I am really gaining a lot from these pages, and I really appreciate you sending it. Bear in mind I am really new to Juenger and know little about his work -- I have only been reading him for around six months, but a lot of what I have read recently reminds me so much of early Theravada thought, as exemplified by the Tripitaka ( The Sutta Collections ). I do not know that much at all about historical connections, but I do believe these Theravada Suttas had influence in German thought -- Wasn't Schopenhauer very interested in early Theravada concepts and Advaita Vedanta? ( I believe that's why he was always dismissed by many British academics as being 'negative' and 'nihilistic' ) Or has that awareness and state of mind long been in 'the German psyche', existing quite separately from Schopenhauer' s interest in those texts ? I am thinking here of men like Silesius and Meister Eckhardt, whose perspectives on the world and man had strong similarities to Thervadin thought and Advaita Vedanta -- but clearly had no connection whatsoever to those texts, and had no immediate historical influence from those specific texts: Those perceptions already existed within schools of German mysticism and in other European schools of thought. Just some thoughts -- these are just some instinctive responses and speculations. Thanks again Simon -- fantastic work. Greg. --- On Mon, 16/11/09, Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> wrote: From: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Subject: [juenger_org] An der Zollstation To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 9:48 Sorry, here's the attachment refered to. Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Samstag, den 14. November 2009, 7:27:13 Uhr Betreff: [juenger_org] War and human response. And here is a further link related to the earlier one . It makes for frightening, chilling reading, but I consider it relevant not only to Junger's early work, but also relevant especially in the light of recent events in USA. http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0EXI/ is_2_19/ai_ 84542213/ ?tag=content; col1 Greg. --- On Sat, 14/11/09, Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> Subject: [juenger_org] Juenger and Cosmic Insight. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 6:13 Dear group, I have been reading our web master Dr. King's interesting work on Juenger, and carefully noting his bibliography and footnotes too. It makes for intriguing reading, and since we have been discussing the negative effects of technology and appalling psychological effects of industrial scale wars, I thought I'd circulate the following , sourced from Dr. King's footnotes. http://www.timeshig hereducation. co.uk/story. asp?storyCode= 158517§ioncode=22 It reminded me of some of the ( often appalling and frightening ) themes in "Storm of Steel." On the point of "Storm of Steel" , I notice in the closing chapters, Ernst Juenger seems to have had insights into the significance of death on a number of occasions when he is badly wounded. I'd like to ask board contributors' views on these 'flash insights' he seems to have had when he believed himself to be 'close to' his own death -- are these insights expanded upon in later books? To what extent does he explore the insights further? I am so busy now, but will get page refs later -- basically I refer to occasions when he was shot at or bombed and in those moments was convinced he was going to die, and seemed to have experienced penetrating insights into 'mortality and the cosmos' at those precise moments. All the best, Greg. --- On Tue, 1/9/09, John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> wrote: From: John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> Subject: AW: [juenger_org] WG: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 15:01 Personally I'd say the next thing to read would be "On the Marble Cliffs", the classic novel of "Inner Emigration" from 1939. Regards, jk Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Dienstag, den 1. September 2009, 15:50:05 Uhr Betreff: Re: [juenger_org] WG: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. John, thanks for your rapid response. I am fascinated by Junger, and want to see what the long term readers have to say and advice they give as to reading lists -- As for myself, I read very widely. I wouldn't define my reading as either "left" or "right" wing, since I have never found those labels adequate to describe human experience. However, I'd say I have always been intrigued by authors who have certainly left their mark on history, but in some sense, were always indefinable fringe characters. My reading ranges from obscure Dadaists, to Italian Futurists, to Greek philosophy ( Stoicism, & Heraclitus in particular ) to Hindu Scripture ( Advaita Vedanta ) the Theravada Suttas , to Meister Eckhart and Schopenhauer , La Rochefoucauld and Baudrillard etc. Thanks for your advice, in particular, regarding ON PAIN. Bear in mind I have only read STORM OF STEEL and am absolutely speechless it's so great. Will ON PAIN be a good next step? Greg. --- On Tue, 1/9/09, John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> wrote: From: John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> Subject: [juenger_org] WG: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 11:34 PM Anyone got suggestions for Mr Whitfield? jk ----- Weitergeleitete Mail ---- Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org Moderator <juenger_org- ow...@yahoogroup s.de> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 1. September 2009, 14:41:54 Uhr Betreff: Re: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. Hi -- I am new to Ernst Jünger , and I am trying to catch up on his works -- I can't believe I have missed someone so amazing. I was very influenced by Max Stirner et al, so he works well with my background so to speak. I have been reading STORM OF STEEL and I am enthralled -- what is the next best book to read? What do you all think of ON PAIN ? It looks good, but I am a little reluctant to spend a lot of cash on it if it's only 90 pages -- but, if it's essential reading of course, money is no issue. Advice please? Thanks. --- On Tue, 1/9/09, juenger_org Moderator <juenger_org- ow...@yahoogroup s.de> wrote: From: juenger_org Moderator <juenger_org- ow...@yahoogroup s.de> Subject: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 10:35 PM Willkommen in der Group juenger_org bei Yahoo! Groups. Ihre Group wartet auf Sie, schauen Sie also bald herein. Und probieren Sie aus, wie einfach und dazu noch kostenlos Sie sich austauschen und informieren können: * Sie wählen, wann und wie Sie in Kontakt bleiben. * Nutzen Sie Fotos, Dateien, Umfragen, Kalender, Links und vieles mehr gemeinsam mit anderen Mitgliedern. * Überfliegen Sie schnell neue Beiträge und durchsuchen ausführliche Beitragsarchive. * Und Sie haben viele weitere Möglichkeiten, sich mitzuteilen. 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