Richard, Thanks very much for sharing your reflections on the FGJ book -- I really wish I could read German, or I wish many of these texts were translated into English. Thanks for your contemplations. It looks like a great book ( thanks also for translating those sayings).
I am still wading through Zeev Sternhell's interesting study of the early cross overs between Anarchism,the Avant Garde, Fascism,and variations of Marxism. I find it intriguing how, in the early years of the 20Th century, all these apparently diverse 'schools' flowed into each other. At times, it's dizzying -- Sternhell tells us ( on page 80 ) that Sorel represented a French variant of the 'conservative revolutionaries' in Germany , and he name checks Juenger as being one of those at the forefront of that 'movement'. However, it's difficult for me to really see such a comparison as being entirely valid : Sternhell tells us that Sorel was a committed follower of the Anarchist Proudhon, and very taken by his ideas -- but he also tells us that Sorel grew to despise Anarchism, seeing it as childish idealism. ( We also learn that Proudhon expressed ideas that certainly had more in common with Fascist Nationalism than his more well known Anarchist conceptions ) Sorel was also a believer in Marxism -- but saw it as redundant, exhausted, incomplete, and ended up adapting his version of Marxist dialectic -- that inspired Fascists. I am not at all sure that I see a comparison with Juenger. Nonetheless, it's a fascinating book -- especially to observe how often some of the 'key players' in the unfolding of these ideologies kept on jumping from 'one side' to the other in the early 1900's. Has anyone else on board read Sternhell's works on early cross overs between Fascism, Anarcho Syndicalism and Marxism? How about Sorel ? Being honest, whilst I can see certain 'cosmetic', surface, comparisons between the two men -- I can't really see the validity of comparisons with Juenger at any deeper level. Anyone else? Greg. --- On Thu, 31/12/09, Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online.de> wrote: From: Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online.de> Subject: Re: [juenger_org] Zeev Sternhell's text To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Thursday, 31 December, 2009, 17:45 Hi Gregory, "fear is a bad consultant" "man lives on hope" that's those proverbs. Presently i'm reading Friedrich Georg Jünger's "Gespräche"= "Talks" - It's a gem. The book comprises a series of fictitious dialogues, a form the author has chosen, to escape what he thinks to be some rigidities of elocution. In a preliminary note FGJ elaborates on the difference between a monologue and a dialogue. "Often, when walking amid huge crowds in big cities, I did hear such loud-voiced monologues. They always moved me. It was the sheer contrast between the mechanically communicating masses and this utter lonesomeness. The incurable loneliness, the isolation even, of the single individual. The loner who starts talking to himself. Because he does prescind himself from any commonality. Because any community has been neutralized within him. A thing staggering ." So in his preface, FGJ also reflects about the difference between dialogue and a talk between several persons - very well thought out indeed. The book's dialogues are between persons in a historical context, for instance: In "The Weight of the World" it is Machiavelli and Bramante engaged in a dialogue about the architectural challenge building the dome of St.Peter. "A Visit in Valencay" comprises Talleyrand and a certain "Count C." talking to each other. "The Island" is Napoleon and "Count Las Cases" having their dialogue on the island of St.Helena "The Revelation": Sheikh Badijan and Hafis, the poet, exchanging views. This one shows FGJ's profound knowledge of Islam, with the orthodox, dogmatic scholar constantly outwitted by the poet's free interpretations of the quran. These the historical examples. In another category you will find - a certain Dr.Knox argueing with Mivin about a phenomenon called a "spleen" - an anonymous "Mr." talking to a sales-lady at the puppet-department of a warehouse, titled "The Puppets" - another "Mr." talking to a public servant at the police office, applying for a passport - two judges engaged in a boardroom discussion during a break at a jury court session on a surrealistic vein we find - the bird and the grape- meeting in a conversion called "Masques" - a fox. This is kind of a feverish dream, where you find FGJ talking to this disconcerting symbolic figure. The fox turns out to be a symbol of FGJ's own sharp mind and pointed reasoning capability. "I am your sharpest thought", says the fox. The obtrusiveness of pure reason. Brash, ravenous, arrogant, voracious and tactless. In the end, you find FG in his bed, sweat-soaked; finally the importunate beast has dissolved into thin air: FG is on the way to recovery. Last but not least we have two dialogues involving Ernst Jünger: One is titled "The Actor" with a biographical aspect: The two persons talking to each other are "Ernst" and "Friedrich". They both have watched "The Tempest", the late play by William Shakespeare. EJ and FGJ must have met quite often, resulting in an infinite series of fruitful talks, covering a wide range of subjects. "The Actor", a philosophical and psychological exegesis on the subject, has an intimacy of its own. We are invited to witness the Jünger Brothers rehearsing a great play they have watched together, a play obviously starring some great actors. The stage representing the world. And FGJ picking up the thread and talking about the world turning into a stage. A stage for politicians, scientists, religious leaders, artists and businessmen. The artificialness of it all. The last dialogue is between Ernst & Arabella. The title is "Schirokko" Ernst confronted with the female Arabella, dancing the Tarantela, Presto, Prestissimo, Fire, unbridled passion: "La é una vera furia"! Not only a pity this book hasn't ever been translated. A pity this book ha been out of print since long. There's so much orientation to be found there, today, in times losing all it's bearings. Yours Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Whitfield To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [juenger_org] Zeev Sternhell's text Can you translate please? Sorry to say, I don't know German, and I'd love to know what they mean. PS I have been reading Zeev Sternhell's text on the significant very early cross overs between the Avat Garde ( The Futurists ) , Proudhon-ian Anarchism, Syndicalism, Kropotkin inspired action,Sorel- ian 'mythology and violence' ,Mussolini and Fascism. There are quite a few mentions of Juenger and Conservative Revolutionaries in the text ( if you search, they follow the 'Junger' spelling ) . The book compares the Anarcho Syndicalist/ Marxist/ 'Fascist' Georges Sorel's views and beliefs with that of the Revolutionary Conservatives and Juenger. http://books. google.com/ books?id= hnv0F88nLawC&printsec=frontcover&dq=zeev+sternhell&hl=ko&cd=3#v=onepage&q=sorel%20junger&f=false --- On Mon, 28/12/09, Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online. de> wrote: From: Richard Krähenbühl <ri...@t-online. de> Subject: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Modern technology To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 18:08 always nice to read the list going on - just to throw in my two cents: Two German proverbs came to my mind: Angst ist ein schlechter Ratgeber. Der Mensch lebt von der Hoffnung. ----- Original Message ----- From: klaus gauger To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Modern technology Dear Simon, it´s impossible to put back the genie in the bottle. Modern technology can fail oder suceed, but our destiny is definitely connected with the progress enlightment and technology as his instrument did bring to us. If the "project of modernity", to call it that way, will fail or suceed is something we can only speculate about. Some people are sceptical, some are optimistic, some are pessimistic, and most people are not interested in this crucial question anyway, because the don´t even understand in what a dangerous situation we are right now. I can only emphasize what Jünger said to the german youth: "Es ist besser in der Hoffnung zu leben als in der Furcht". Fear is a feeling that usually leads to hysterical reactions. To be calm, to think positive and to have hope and to do what is necessary, all this is much more productive and leads to better results. Yours, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Mo, 28.12.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] anarchist and anarch definition An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009, 12:12 Yes, I agree. Although I think that Juenger would have said that there is a demonic spirit in technology, which like the genie in the bottle, compels one to use it in one way or another - it cannot simply be ignored. Given the spiritual level of contemporary mankind, the application of this power today ends in a general disaster. Specific successes may seem to happen, but the general direction is towards technological catastrophe. Since it is highly unlikely, actually impossible, that we suddenly enlighten ourselves and use the power to really solve problems, it would be better if we could put the genie back in the bottle. This may not be impossible - returning gods could certainly disempower the genies. Or forbid them. What will bring the gods back? An effort of ours or simply the turning of the heavens? Or sufficiently strong hope? "It is better to live in hope than in fear" - above all, this should be understood as a hoping for the return of superior powers to guide mankind. Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Dienstag, den 22. Dezember 2009, 13:55:32 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] anarchist and anarch definition Dear Simon, as always I agree totally with you, the accurate term is "anarch", not "anarchist", and Jüngers ideas were mainly based on some central ideas of Stirner, who is not a classical anarchist. But Jünger maybe was not so desperate about progress in general. At least he believed in technological progress, though he knew this kind of progress is not able to solve all our problems. This is the difference to primitive "enlighted" people who think that technology as the instrument of enlightment will solve everything. Jünger knew that real progress always means also a progress in humanity. And this progress is difficult to achieve and can always be lost again. Jünger was sceptical about progress, but he did always have a certain hope that progress can happen and can lead us into a brighter future. As he said as an advice to the german youth: "Es ist besser in der Hoffnung zu leben als in der Furcht". Yours, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Di, 22.12.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Betreff: [juenger_org] anarchist and anarch definition An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Dienstag, 22. Dezember 2009, 12:38 Klaus, even though you qualify Juenger as a contemplative, non-violent anarchist, I would still avoid using that word to define him. I understand that anarch is not a commonly-known definition like anarchist, and so it is simpler to put Juenger in to the closest known category, with the anarchists. But why continue with an inaccuracy - why not use his own term, the anarch? This may gradually promote awareness of the new concept. Fundamentally Juenger is not an anarchist, because, at least in my understanding, every anarchist believes in the possibility of improving society, through peaceful or violent means. By the time of Eumeswil, Juenger did not believe that. To improve society would be to believe in progress - and the anarch categorically denies that possibility. In fact, to believe in social progress is a dangerous distraction - it takes one's focus from the fields where one can really make a difference to others where control is not in our hands, where it "just happens".In this respect, the idealists, however well-meaning, can actually be as destructive as the obvious "bad guys". But as you would surely agree, not believing in social progress doesn't at all mean the anarch doesn't care for his neighbour and want to help him - but only where it is actually possible: "Nicht fuer die Gemeinschaft da sein, sondern fuer den Naechsten, den Einzelnen. Und was fuer ihn tun. Das Goettliche in ihm erkennen, dann ordnet sich alles andere – die Gesellschaft auch. SIEBZIG VERWEHT IV. " Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Montag, den 21. Dezember 2009, 17:48:42 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] ' Revolutionaries' , 'Traditionalists' and 'Conservatives' Dear Greg, Jünger was an anarchist, but he refused to include in his late conceptions the use of violence for social or political means or the use of violence as an instrument for political and social change. So he was a contemplative, non-violent anarchist, and this is for me the only valid and lasting form of anarchism. Yours, Klaus --- Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> schrieb am Mo, 21.12.2009: Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> Betreff: [juenger_org] ' Revolutionaries' , 'Traditionalists' and 'Conservatives' An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Montag, 21. Dezember 2009, 14:52 Some interesting reflections there on the 'Anarch' and 'the traditional' Simon. I see that one of the over riding impressions you have after watching is that Ellul clearly is a 'traditionalist' , specifically perhaps in that he respects certain traditional values and aspects within diverse cultures and religions. I have the same impression of his views -- which was why I earlier referred to him as being both 'revolutionary' and 'conservative' -- I was not, of course, absurdly suggesting that Ellul was in any way conceptually or historically connected to thinkers like Schmitt, Spengler, Juenger etc, but rather, my response was more in tune with your own more general use of terminology. I am not speaking solely of the 'Revolutionary Conservative Movement' in Germany post WW1 here, but using those words in wider semantic terms now : I wonder to what degree such terms as 'revolutionary' and 'conservative' -- are culturally loaded and perceived differently when considered through quite distinct cultural, historical and social prisms ? For example, I live in Korea, and interestingly enough, there was a very strong active and definitely 'revolutionary' Anarchist movement here, from the 1890's to the 1940's , partially inspired by Propaganda of the deed, Russian nihilists, as well as Stirner, Kropotkin and Bakunin -- However, interestingly enough, these Korean Anarchists are not commonly remembered as unconventional figures here, but rather, as vigorously nationalist, highly conservative, traditional figures, and are still highly venerated as such within a highly Conservative society and culture. I still find it an odd experience nowadays to hear Koreans, young and old, speaking of these Korean Anarchists -- as Conservatives and Traditionalists -- with a capital 'C'. In any other culture, one simply does not hear of Anarchists defined as, and discussed as being Conservatives. A final thought, still on the theme of ' Revolutionaries' , 'Traditionalists' and 'Conservatives' -- does Juenger's interest in Max Stirner and his development of the concept of 'The Anarch' in any way qualify him as an 'Anarchist?' I do not know enough about Juenger to even begin to answer that. Greg. --- On Mon, 21/12/09, Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> wrote: From: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Subject: [juenger_org] Comments on Ellul and technology To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Monday, 21 December, 2009, 12:24 Thanks for the tip about Ellul, Greg. I listened to the whole thing. Whatever else he may have done, the impression from the documentary is not that of an anarchist. He evidently values traditional societies - it is just our own technological one that he objects to. An anarch? - I don't know what the "small actions" are that he talks of at the end. Anyhow, a few reflections of my own on the video.... Ellul relates that in certain middle age societies, a rule regarding technology existed which forbad the use of iron tools in working the earth. Although these were undoubtedly more efficient, the earth was considered a mother and the use of hard tools would have hurt her. In the light of our unrestrained use of technology, we may think such a rule ridiculous and yet when we look at how mining (and mechanized agriculture) have degraded and impoverished the earth in the last centuries, we understand that there was a real sense to this rule. Respected, it would have prevented the rape of the earth that we have witnessed in recent centuries. Back then the extent to which our "iron" technology would progress would have been inconceivable - and probably considered demonic. Yet even in consideration of their own simple technology, these civilizations followed a principle which protected the earth and ultimately also them. We can learn from this that technology requires the guidance of principles - even when it seems that little damage will be done. One never knows to what extent a technological development may progress. A principle protects one from this danger. It allows stability to develop in a system - 'thus far and no further'. That is to say, restraining principles applied to technology allow that "sustainability" to develop which so entrances our minds and fill our rhetoric these days. It is not more and better technology that will bring back sustainability - it is new principles for its use. Whether these are religiously or rationally-based is irrelevent - religious ones would probably work better for the masses. Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com ( Interestingly, his point that the modern world is governed by the reflex, while the traditional one was governed by the cultivated wisdom of reflection in some ways reproduces Gurdjieff's contrast between mechanical knowing and conscious understanding. Ordinary mechanical knowledge of anything is based on an internal interaction between two opposing previously-register ed impressions/ thoughts regarding the subject, with the result of this interaction being determined by the next new impression that happens to be received on this subject. Conscious understanding on the other hand is the result of the comparison of the newest impression with ALL previous impressions on the subject, with the interaction being mediated by the will to come to an independent personal conclusion on the matter - to have an individual understanding that is. In Ellul's terms, modern technological society merely reacts sequentially to the latest impression, coming to a temporary conclusion which will be surplanted by the next random input - its path is guided by the last random information that it receives, which mechanically changes what it previously held true. It possesses merely updated and changing information, rather than growing cognition.) Von: klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Montag, den 21. Dezember 2009, 11:51:49 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] FG Juenger (and 'anti technology') und Ozzy Osbourne und Ernst Jünger Hi Simon, these are good news. This book from F.G. Jünger impressed me a lot and it is worth to be translated in such an important language like English. Yours, Klaus P.S.: Lieber TW, wie ich gerade festgestellt habe, stehen die Privatadressen der Mitglieder bei den Mails in der Liste sowieso immer dabei. Insofern kann man Privatgespräche immer auf Privatadressen umleiten. Aber Ozzy Osbourne ist nicht so weit weg von Ernst Jünger wie Sie vielleicht glauben: Er ist auch ein "Abenteuerliches Herz" und hat mit Drogen experimentiert, wie Jünger auch, und seine Musik ist, wie Ernst Jüngers Literatur auch, ein Produkt des Lebens des Autors. Ich würde es mal so sagen: Wäre Ernst Jünger als britisches Unterschichtenkind in Nordengland nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg geboren worden, wäre er vielleicht ein Heavy-Metal- Musiker geworden und hätte auf der Bühne "Schwermetallgewitt er" produziert. --- Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> schrieb am Mo, 21.12.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Betreff: [juenger_org] FG Juenger (and 'anti technology') An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Montag, 21. Dezember 2009, 11:32 Hi Greg, Joel, Klaus, Tobias etc, Glad you reawakened the list from its winterschlaf! To get back on topic ;-) I just got this email from Alethes Press regarding republication of The Failure of Technology. Dear Mr. Friedrich, Yes, we will be publishing The Perfection of Technology, in a new translation from the 4th and final German edition--sometime in spring 2010. We've had (and are still going through) some major reorganization for the rest of 2009 and early 2010; which frankly explains the delay in getting the book out and in getting back to you--for which we apologize. The horrible economy hasn't helped at all, as you can imagine. Many, many thanks. Alethes Press Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Samstag, den 19. Dezember 2009, 6:19:31 Uhr Betreff: [juenger_org] Juenger and 'anti technology' Hello everyone. Since recent discussion has been about Juenger and Heidegger's views on technology, I thought I'd send a link to Jacques Ellul's 'anti technology' interviews. I know little about Jacques Ellul -- he was an anarchist, but also a contemplative ( similarities to Tolstoy's Anarchism particularly inspired by Sermon on the Mount perhaps? ). Judging from the interview, he could also be viewed as a 'revolutionary conservative' , though I know that some object to that term ,considering it as inherently semantically incongruous. Anyway, the film is most certainly naive, and definitely dated in places -- but there are perhaps some gems here that the boarders may enjoy. http://www.rerunpro ducties.nl/ film%20ellul.htm Greg. --- On Wed, 18/11/09, Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> wrote: From: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Subject: AW: [juenger_org] Juenger and German mysticism To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 10:03 Thanks for the interesting reflections, Greg. Certainly the writings of true mystics must resemble each other - the paths converge near the peak. But I'm out of my depth when it comes to Buddhist scripture. Coincidentally I'm reading Aldous Huxley's "The Perennial Philosophy" at the moment - from what I understand of your interests and background, you'd find it fascinating. You'll find much comparison in this book between German mystics and Buddhism. Comparative mysticism from the point of view of a broadly-read near-mystic himself. Huxley was certainly on the level of Juenger - perhaps not in terms of action, but certainly in terms of insight. Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 18. November 2009, 3:32:04 Uhr Betreff: [juenger_org] Juenger and German mysticism Simon, that's fantastic -- thanks very much indeed for the translation. I am really gaining a lot from these pages, and I really appreciate you sending it. Bear in mind I am really new to Juenger and know little about his work -- I have only been reading him for around six months, but a lot of what I have read recently reminds me so much of early Theravada thought, as exemplified by the Tripitaka ( The Sutta Collections ). I do not know that much at all about historical connections, but I do believe these Theravada Suttas had influence in German thought -- Wasn't Schopenhauer very interested in early Theravada concepts and Advaita Vedanta? ( I believe that's why he was always dismissed by many British academics as being 'negative' and 'nihilistic' ) Or has that awareness and state of mind long been in 'the German psyche', existing quite separately from Schopenhauer' s interest in those texts ? I am thinking here of men like Silesius and Meister Eckhardt, whose perspectives on the world and man had strong similarities to Thervadin thought and Advaita Vedanta -- but clearly had no connection whatsoever to those texts, and had no immediate historical influence from those specific texts: Those perceptions already existed within schools of German mysticism and in other European schools of thought. Just some thoughts -- these are just some instinctive responses and speculations. Thanks again Simon -- fantastic work. Greg. --- On Mon, 16/11/09, Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> wrote: From: Simon Friedrich <simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de> Subject: [juenger_org] An der Zollstation To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 9:48 Sorry, here's the attachment refered to. Simon http://ernst- juenger.blogspot .com Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Samstag, den 14. November 2009, 7:27:13 Uhr Betreff: [juenger_org] War and human response. And here is a further link related to the earlier one . It makes for frightening, chilling reading, but I consider it relevant not only to Junger's early work, but also relevant especially in the light of recent events in USA. http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0EXI/ is_2_19/ai_ 84542213/ ?tag=content; col1 Greg. --- On Sat, 14/11/09, Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> Subject: [juenger_org] Juenger and Cosmic Insight. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 6:13 Dear group, I have been reading our web master Dr. King's interesting work on Juenger, and carefully noting his bibliography and footnotes too. It makes for intriguing reading, and since we have been discussing the negative effects of technology and appalling psychological effects of industrial scale wars, I thought I'd circulate the following , sourced from Dr. King's footnotes. http://www.timeshig hereducation. co.uk/story. asp?storyCode= 158517§ioncode=22 It reminded me of some of the ( often appalling and frightening ) themes in "Storm of Steel." On the point of "Storm of Steel" , I notice in the closing chapters, Ernst Juenger seems to have had insights into the significance of death on a number of occasions when he is badly wounded. I'd like to ask board contributors' views on these 'flash insights' he seems to have had when he believed himself to be 'close to' his own death -- are these insights expanded upon in later books? To what extent does he explore the insights further? I am so busy now, but will get page refs later -- basically I refer to occasions when he was shot at or bombed and in those moments was convinced he was going to die, and seemed to have experienced penetrating insights into 'mortality and the cosmos' at those precise moments. All the best, Greg. --- On Tue, 1/9/09, John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> wrote: From: John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> Subject: AW: [juenger_org] WG: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 15:01 Personally I'd say the next thing to read would be "On the Marble Cliffs", the classic novel of "Inner Emigration" from 1939. Regards, jk Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Dienstag, den 1. September 2009, 15:50:05 Uhr Betreff: Re: [juenger_org] WG: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. John, thanks for your rapid response. I am fascinated by Junger, and want to see what the long term readers have to say and advice they give as to reading lists -- As for myself, I read very widely. I wouldn't define my reading as either "left" or "right" wing, since I have never found those labels adequate to describe human experience. However, I'd say I have always been intrigued by authors who have certainly left their mark on history, but in some sense, were always indefinable fringe characters. My reading ranges from obscure Dadaists, to Italian Futurists, to Greek philosophy ( Stoicism, & Heraclitus in particular ) to Hindu Scripture ( Advaita Vedanta ) the Theravada Suttas , to Meister Eckhart and Schopenhauer , La Rochefoucauld and Baudrillard etc. Thanks for your advice, in particular, regarding ON PAIN. Bear in mind I have only read STORM OF STEEL and am absolutely speechless it's so great. Will ON PAIN be a good next step? Greg. --- On Tue, 1/9/09, John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> wrote: From: John King <jejk...@yahoo. de> Subject: [juenger_org] WG: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 11:34 PM Anyone got suggestions for Mr Whitfield? jk ----- Weitergeleitete Mail ---- Von: Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> An: juenger_org Moderator <juenger_org- ow...@yahoogroup s.de> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 1. September 2009, 14:41:54 Uhr Betreff: Re: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. Hi -- I am new to Ernst Jünger , and I am trying to catch up on his works -- I can't believe I have missed someone so amazing. I was very influenced by Max Stirner et al, so he works well with my background so to speak. I have been reading STORM OF STEEL and I am enthralled -- what is the next best book to read? What do you all think of ON PAIN ? It looks good, but I am a little reluctant to spend a lot of cash on it if it's only 90 pages -- but, if it's essential reading of course, money is no issue. Advice please? Thanks. --- On Tue, 1/9/09, juenger_org Moderator <juenger_org- ow...@yahoogroup s.de> wrote: From: juenger_org Moderator <juenger_org- ow...@yahoogroup s.de> Subject: Yahoo! Groups: Willkommen bei juenger_org. Schauen Sie herein. To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Tuesday, 1 September, 2009, 10:35 PM Willkommen in der Group juenger_org bei Yahoo! Groups. Ihre Group wartet auf Sie, schauen Sie also bald herein. Und probieren Sie aus, wie einfach und dazu noch kostenlos Sie sich austauschen und informieren können: * Sie wählen, wann und wie Sie in Kontakt bleiben. * Nutzen Sie Fotos, Dateien, Umfragen, Kalender, Links und vieles mehr gemeinsam mit anderen Mitgliedern. * Überfliegen Sie schnell neue Beiträge und durchsuchen ausführliche Beitragsarchive. * Und Sie haben viele weitere Möglichkeiten, sich mitzuteilen. 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