Hi Alberto, As I said in the other (wrong) thread, I tried your patch and it is not working for me either.
Thanks, -JTM On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:03 AM, John T. Mertz <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Alberto Villa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 31 March 2010 00:00:05 John T. Mertz wrote: >> > I tried dolphin as you suggested but was only able to turn columns >> > on/off, but I could not reorder them. >> >> that's strange, i'm able to do that > > Maybe it is the version I am running? I only have dolphin installed > because I installed KDE on top of Ubuntu 9.10, which installed Dolphin > with it. But it's no matter since you know what I'm talking about. > >> >> > For example, the default display might have these columns: >> > Clip Name | IN | OUT | Start | End | Duration | Description >> > >> > But I might rearrange it to display in this order: >> > Clip Name | Description | Duration | Start | End | IN | OUT >> >> what do you mean by IN and OUT? project clips in kdenlive don't have in and >> out points... each item represents a whole clip > > 'IN' is called "Set Zone Start" in kdenlive > 'OUT' is "Set Zone End" in kdenlive > > IN/OUT is standard terminology used by all NLE software. As a side > note, kdenlive should really change from using "Zone Start/End" to the > widely used standard "IN" and "OUT". > > The IN/OUT points on each clip are saved after you set them. Having > the IN/OUT displayed in columns in the bin is useful because you can > see where IN/OUT points are set on a clip (if they are set at all) > without loading it into the clip monitor. > >> the same for Start and End: what are they? >> this is just curiosity, it doesn't impact on this matter >> > > Pretty much all video cameras embed a timecode track along with the > video track. 'Start' and 'End' are the Start timecode and End > timecode of the clip as defined by the clip's timecode track. I don't > know if clip timecode is made available by any video playback/editing > applications in Linux. I can't say I've ever seen a proper > representation of timecode when playing any type of video format on > linux. > > The start/end timecode provides the editor with a linear sequence of > shots when editing, since the timecode for each clip progresses in a > linear fashion. When each clip is recorded, its starting timecode > value is (typically) the frame after the End Timecode value of the > previous clip. Take, for example, a tape where the Start timecode of > the tape is set to 01:00:00:00. Let's say you shoot three clips on > the tape of varying durations. The timecode for each clip would be > something like this: > > Clip1 StartTC 01:00:00:00 -> EndTC 01:01:34:23 > Clip2 StartTC 01:01:34:24 -> EndTC 01:05:26:12 > Clip3 StartTC 01:05:26:13 -> End TC 01:11:56:08 > > As you can see, it is easy to tell the order of the clips because the > Start timecode increases with each new clip. > > A lot of professional videographers also use timecode to differentiate > between different tapes. For example, they will set the camera to > start recording on tape 1 with the timecode of 01:00:00:00, then tape > 2 will start at 02:00:00:00, then tape 3 at 03:00:00:00 and so on. > When they go to editing and capture all their media, they can easily > determine which tape each clip came from based on the timecode. > > Start Timecode is usually retrieved from the timecode track of the > captured clip. > End Timecode, on the other hand, is usually calculated as the Start > Timecode + Duration of the clip. This is because it is possible for > clips to sometimes contain timecode breaks (for example, in one frame > the timecode is 01:33:24:13, then the next frame following it the > timecode might jump to 05:23:14:02). So most editing applications do > not bother with displaying timecode breaks; rather, they just ignore > them and calculate everything based on the Start TC. FYI. > > There are other uses for timecode as well, but I won't get into them > all here. In any case, it is an important feature that kdenlive > should (eventually) support if it wants to gain any traction in the > prosumer video editing market. I have no idea how much metadata from > captured clips is made available to the application, if any. > >> > Then, usually the user can save a custom Bin View so that depending on >> > what they are working on, they can load different bin views which >> > would reload the column display and order that was saved (although a >> > single, customizable bin view would be an excellent start). >> >> ...and that could be made a little more powerful by allowing also other >> things, e.g. icons size, icon view vs. detailed view... >> > > Yes! I fully agree :o) Icon view, Icon size, detailed view is all > important! Depending on your editing style or if you are looking for > a certain clip, different views serve different purposes. > >> actually, i don't dislike this layout, it's very compact. but, following my >> suggestion above, why not making different layouts available? >> >> anyway, could you please test the attached patch? it should unlock the >> columns (and adding a voice to the header popup menu, but that's not the >> point). it appears that i'm not able to make it work here, but according to >> the documentation (i've spent some time on the qt website and through the >> kdenlive source) and considering that it wouldn't be the first time that >> something builds wrongly on freebsd - and, perhaps, ccache it's doing its >> own, >> too - this doesn't work for me (while a stupid 4-lines examples does) >> -- > > I will give it a try when I have a chance. Thanks! > -JTM > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev _______________________________________________ Kdenlive-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel
