It's just that NOTHING, on any of the quotes, came up with any hits, other then the 2 papers that I posted likes to here.
I don't find that a usual problem if I want to verify what's in some article, I just take some quotes and search them, and then look at the hits, but the daily news is the only hit for each quote searched. I've learned again, the hard way, to not forward things I cannot vet on my own, like this. All the right buzz words, but no hits for verification that this is a real newly declassified statement of what happened, or that it really happened at all. Scott > The Daily Star is well known in Lebanon , you could always write them and > as far know have no ax to grind when it comes to the factionalism taking > place in that country. > > Or you could go through the thousands of documents in the National > Security > Archive. > > http://www.picosearch.com/cgi-bin/ts.pl?index=302953;query=lebanon;SEARCH=Search > > > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:56 AM, <scotpe...@cruzio.com> wrote: > >> Humm.... >> >> Any idea where the verification of these new set of declassified >> documents >> are? The only think I can find is an >> http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m101203&hd=&l=e >> >> link that sends me right back to this one. >> >> No one, no place else, brings up anything other then these this one >> article, when I want to find out about these declassified documents. >> >> So.. if they exist, where are they, why can't any search engine or set >> of >> quotes Iv'e searched give me anything other then the DailyStar? >> >> Scott >> >> >> > Kissinger saw the benefits of Syrian intervention in Lebanon >> > September 23, 2013 12:24 AMBy Kareem >> > Shaheen<http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Kareem-Shaheen.ashx>The >> > Daily Star[image: Kissinger uses a map of Beirut as he briefs the >> House >> > International Relations Committee in Washington on June 17, >> > 1976.]Kissinger >> > uses a map of Beirut as he briefs the House International Relations >> > Committee in Washington on June 17, 1976.[image: A+][image: A-] >> > >> > BEIRUT: A new set of declassified documents on the run-up to the >> Syrian >> > intervention in Lebanons Civil War sheds light on American diplomacy >> > during the crisis, including contacts with late President Hafez >> Assads >> > regime and U.S. hopes that a Syrian intervention would weaken Yasser >> > Arafats Palestine Liberation Organization. The documents, minutes of >> > meetings involving U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, reveal the >> top >> > U.S. diplomats open contempt and frustration toward Israeli >> policymakers >> > for threatening to invade south Lebanon in response to a Syrian >> > intervention. >> > >> > You know these Israelis really are shits, Kissinger said at a >> meeting >> in >> > March 1976, expressing anger at the possibility of an Israeli attack. >> > >> > The archival documents show the U.S. administration had foreknowledge >> of >> a >> > possible Syrian intervention, deciding it was in accordance with U.S. >> > interests but refraining from supporting it publicly in fear of the >> > invasion sparking a broad Middle Eastern war. >> > >> > Now if I could design the solution, I would go to Assad and say, If >> you >> > could move in quickly, and if you could give us an iron clad guarantee >> > that >> > you will get out again quickly and that you will not go south of the >> > [Litani] river, we will keep the Israelis out, he said in one >> meeting. >> > >> > The minutes show a Kissinger deeply involved in Middle Eastern >> politics, >> > conferring on an almost daily basis with top advisers and closely >> > following >> > Lebanons descent into violence while trying to grapple with the >> > insurmountable complexity of its civil war politics. >> > >> > Kissinger saw benefits to a Syrian intervention, guessing that it >> would >> > weaken Arafats PLO, but he refrained from backing it publicly and in >> > talks >> > with Syrian officials. >> > >> > The documents paint an image of an irreverent, sharp and sometimes >> profane >> > man, who was also prone to generalizations, for instance describing >> > Egyptian negotiators as duplicitous. >> > >> > They are also striking because they show the relatively close >> relationship >> > between the Assad regime and the U.S. >> > >> > The documents are part of a multi-volume series called Foreign >> Relations >> > of the United States. The volume dealing with the Arab-Israeli >> dispute >> > includes a set of archival files on meetings concerning Lebanon at the >> > start of the Civil War. >> > >> > American officials had a low opinion of Lebanese politicians at the >> time. >> > Former President Suleiman Franjieh is described as a disaster, Druze >> > leader Kamal Jumblatt as crazy and political leaders as warlords. >> > >> > Syrian intervention in Lebanon was discussed in a meeting on Oct. 13, >> > immediately sparking talk of a likely Israeli retaliation. >> > >> > There is no way no way in which the Israelis will sit still while >> the >> > Syrians send in their troops. I am sure of that, said Kissinger, who >> > sought to find out from the Israelis what level of Syrian activity in >> > Lebanon would be acceptable to them. >> > >> > Kissinger was also dismissive of the Israeli government, describing >> former >> > General and premier Yigal Allon as a sweet fool and Yitzhak Rabin as >> > weak, while lamenting the U.S. failure to influence its ally. >> > >> > The secretary said he was ready to support Syrian efforts to achieve a >> > political solution in Lebanon. >> > >> > We have to go back to Assad ... Ask him what he is up to and, if we >> agree >> > with him, we will do our best to help him, he said. But warn him >> what >> he >> > does must be done without the use of Syrian regular forces. >> > >> > Also have him give Assad my best personal regards, he said to a >> > diplomatic envoy. >> > >> > In March 1976, as the Americans gleaned more details of the extent of >> > Syrias potential involvement, American officials sought clarity from >> > Syria over >> > its intentions in Lebanon and how long it would stay there. >> > >> > Kissinger said the Israelis would intervene because they wished to >> strike >> > a >> > mortal blow to PLO strongholds in Lebanon, which he referred >> derisively >> to >> > as Fatahland. >> > >> > Their position is that they cannot trust the Syrians, Kissinger >> said. >> > They are not at all sure that the Syrians would leave if they go in, >> so >> > that if they do go in, the Israelis would then quietly take over >> strategic >> > points in southern Lebanon and in effect hold them hostage till the >> > Syrians >> > leave. >> > >> > But in a meeting with President Gerald Ford in late March, Kissinger >> said >> > the U.S. might benefit from a Syrian intervention that strikes at the >> PLO. >> > >> > If Syria could go in quickly and clean it out, it would be good, he >> > said. >> > >> > Kissinger floated the idea at the time that the Syrians could be >> replaced >> > by a U.N. force after destroying the PLO. >> > >> > But Kissinger was frustrated by Israels objections, and decided it >> was >> > not >> > worth the risk to greenlight a Syrian invasion of Lebanon if it risked >> > sparking a regional war. >> > >> > If we had freedom of action we could perhaps act differently, he >> said. >> > We could let the Syrians move and break the back of the PLO. >> > >> > Such an intervention would unite the Arab world, Kissinger lamented. >> > >> > The end result would be exactly what we have worked all these years >> to >> > avoid: It would create Arab unity. >> > >> > He decried what he called those idiots in Tel Aviv, saying Israel >> would >> > not acquiesce to U.S. pressure against invading south Lebanon unless >> > America threatened >> > to end military assistance and support sanctions in the U.N. against >> > Israel. >> > >> > Even after Syrias intervention and the ensuing stalemate with the >> PLO, >> > Kissinger said Syrian failure in Lebanon would mean the countrys fall >> > under the sway of the PLO and the possible overthrow of Hafez Assad. >> > >> > I want to make it clear that a Syrian defeat in Lebanon would be a >> > disaster, he said at a meeting in the summer of 1976. >> > >> > But he also described Syrian ambitions in Lebanon in hegemonic terms, >> > agreeing that they sought ancestral ambitions. I started with the >> > assumption the Syrians would succeed. I forgot the infinite capacity >> of >> > the >> > Arabs to screw things up, he said at a June 1976 meeting. I thought >> > theyd weaken the PLO, make it an appendage of Syria, bring in Jordan, >> and >> > create a Greater Syria. I still think this is what [Assad] has in >> mind. >> > >> > Kissinger also excoriated the Israeli lobby in Washington for trying >> to >> > shape American foreign policy. >> > >> > The Israelis used to lobby for their own interests, he said at a >> meeting >> > in August 1976. Now they are lobbying to change the entire course of >> our >> > policy to coincide with their own policy rather than our interests. >> > >> > A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Daily >> Star >> > on September 23, 2013, on page 3. >> > >> > Read more: >> > >> http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2013/Sep-23/232198-kissinger-saw-the-benefits-of-syrian-intervention-in-lebanon.ashx#ixzz2gD5LLcBo >> > >> > (The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb) >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAAMN: Los Angeles Alternative Media Network --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe: <mailto:laamn-unsubscr...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe: <mailto:laamn-subscr...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Digest: <mailto:laamn-dig...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help: <mailto:laamn-ow...@egroups.com?subject=laamn> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post: <mailto:la...@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive1: <http://www.egroups.com/messages/laamn> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive2: <http://www.mail-archive.com/laamn@egroups.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! 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