Lynn

so many thoughts I hope I can cope....

guitarlynn wrote the following at 06:34 18.09.2002:
> > >So ... the key word in Erich's comment is "primitive". If one's ends
> > > are simple, LEAF setup requirements probably are too demanding. But
> > > complex needs require complex solutions, and that is what all the
> > > LEAF and related-project (Shorewall, for example) developers seem
> > > interested in supporting.
> > >
> > >Yes, the existence of multiple LEAF branches does complicate things
> > > a bit, but blaming this diversity for the greater complexity of
> > > LEAF misses a lot of the point ... that LEAF configuration is more
> > > complicated than router-in-a-box solutions precisely because it can
> > > do more complicated things.
>
>Ok, with this line in thought being pointed out. In less than a week,
>I can presently turn out a set of custom images of several present LEAF
>variants that:
>
>1) Provides a general firewall.
>2) Provides a web-based interface linked to internal ip's w/ virtually
>no security (other than name/password).
>3) Is simple to setup due to lack of configuration options.
>
>Is this what you desire to have available??? I feel that several others
>in the past have likely come this far in development, but feel the need
>not to release it due to the massive amount of specific request for more
>rarely needed options that don't necessarily keep everything simple
>(or on a floppy). Personally, I feel the upcoming development with the
>"web-based configuration" thread would be preferrable in the long run.

I believe this will be a great thing and certainly the one most visible to 
the end user.



> > Lots of people in the team have done little (or even big) extensions
> > to the base threads. Some of these externsions may have found their
> > way into the distribution. I would like to see a distribution tree
> > with sources included, embracing as much additional stuff as is seen
> > fit by the lead developers and I am prepared to help where I can with
> > as much time as I can pry loose. I believe the community can profit
> > from such a model and who knows, maybe we have success. I believe
> > Ewald has expressed his dedication too and certainly others may want
> > to get involved.
> >
> > If you think this is too big a bite for anyone's appetite let me
> > know.
>
>Building a type of "ports" system such as David is working on interests
>me tremendously, however after several short precursive peeks at his
>tree leaves me with several inpending questions:
>
>Is the target system compiling the source itself?

That would probably be difficult, but who knows, maybe it is possible to 
start with a little floppy image and then load the necessary components for 
a compile to the target system.


>1) If so, what compiler is available on the target system (floppy?)?
>
>2) If the target system is not compiling the code, the user must use
>some form of *NIX system to compile on.... this pretty much eliminates
>M$ users.

There is one thing almost sure, pure M$ users will hardly want to compile a 
firewall, they want a mostly preconfigured thing. I wonder if on a build 
system one could select various components which could be just put together 
to form a functional firewall. I believe most of the stuff exists in the 
form of .lrp packages, but some match better and some less. I believe it is 
worth to put some effort there and this IMHO leads to a common software tree.


>3)  if the compilation is done by the system remotely, is the
>SF compile farm (or some other system) going to work with any
>GPL restrictions (distributing binaries?).

No idea, this is certainly worth some consideration.


>These are simply concerns due to my lack of understanding of
>"port" systems outside of LFS, which requires a Linux compiler
>on the host system. A simple description of the process being
>proposed would likely build more dialog on the topic. Any direction
>this is taken is going to have a baseline environment, which will
>affect the required licensing or end-user in some way. I'm still
>attempting to figure out what the required system can/will be.
>
>Thanks for the thoughts, the effort, and the development!

The same.

Erich


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