Brilliant post. Nick
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, April 11, 2024, 12:52 PM, John Lee via Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: I think Farke’s team set up tells us one thing, and that is the players are knackered. He tried to manage that by being ultra cautious, limiting the running etc - yes, it was dull, but we’ve had other games like this too. Of course Sunderland did their job well, the ref was a wildcard no-one could have predicted, and 45 minutes of effort weren’t enough! I think this was the tactic - I’m sure other managers will see it too, but hopefully we’ll be in full-on assault mode on Saturday and Blackburn will wilt under it? Sent from my iPad > On 11 Apr 2024, at 17:04, Simon McNally via Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org> > wrote: > > I agree Dave. > I’m usually critical but I don’t think you can find fault overall with DF > this season. > I too was expecting a miserable season but it’s been the best one since > Bielsa. > I think generally he doesn’t like to make early subs . I heard an interview > with him where he said one of the ways he felt he’d improved as a coach was > not making rushed decisions, like changing things too early. > I’m not convinced by the wisdom of playing an out of form Bamford, or playing > some really jaded looking players but it’s this strategy that’s got us where > we are. > Personally I’d start Piroe for Rutter, Gnonto for James and Joseph for > Bamford but I’d be very surprised if he makes that many changes. > Still all to play for and Ipswich and Leicester are feeling the pressure too. > > S > > Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of nattan--- via > Leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 4:30:25 PM > To: leeds list <leedslist@gn.apc.org> > Subject: Re: [LU] Sunderland > > 2 things can be true at the same time.DF is a proven manager at this level, > he has turned around a sinking ship, and given us a season miles better than > we could have foreseen or even hoped. I have just won a few quid ( for > charity) off my match going son since he bet me in August that we would not > finish top 6 ( play offs at least) and , largely down to DF we achieved it > with 6 games to go .At the same time we were awful on Tuesday, he may have > got his team selection wrong , perservering with Bamford ( and i am a big fan > of his) who is in a slump instead of giving Piroe or Josep a start. Whatever > the arguments there, i think the vast majority think he should have made a > number of subs a lot earlier and he should have had the players showing more > urgency in getting the ball forward. We did not manage a shot on target all > game at home v a lower middle team with nothing at stake, and that was no > where near good enough .Of course being given ( and scoring) a nailed on pen > or getting a goal in the ( what should have been ) 5th or 6th minute of time > added on would have given everything a different complexion. But we didn't > and we dropped 2 points. So we are entitled to criiticise ( on here - i > hated hearing boos in the stadium at the end) and say that DF got it wrong > Hopefully we will put things right over the next 4 games and Tuesday will be > consigned to the bin and thought of the same as Barnsley under Wilko or Wigan > (2nd time) under Bielsa , a bad day that counted for nothing in the end > Dave > On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:43:59 BST, Andy Clayton ><andyclayto...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm firmly in Paul's camp on this one. > > Did any of you seriously in preseason or while the transfer window was open > expect that we'd do as well as we have so far? > > I certainly didn't! I was expecting a season of rebuilding and was hopeful > of the play offs at a push. > > Considering the turmoil around the takeover, the delay in appointing Farke, > the mess that Orta/Radz had left behind, the exodus of (our best?) players > wanting to leave, or worse still, actually leaving,........do I need go on? > > How many of us are glad that Georginio was/was made to look crap at the end > of last season. If he'd ended last season like he played at the back end of > last year, I'm sure he'd have been snapped up too. > > In Farke I trust. > > This is his team, he sees them every day, he knows them inside out, their > fitness level, what's going on at home (how many have recently become > fathers? Broken sleep much?), their mental state etc. If he decides to play > or not play anyone, then I trust in the bigger picture. He knows what he's > doing. We don't - at least I don't think any of us are successful Football > Managers? > > It's not like he's won promotion to the premiership twice now, is it? I > mean..... > > Marching on Together > > Andy C > >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 22:29, Damian WALSH <damian.wa...@euromaster.com> >> wrote: >> >> Du calme, du calme.... >> >> I've got a cigarette paper but I don't think that I can get it between any >> of us - even if you're all (me included) saying wildly different things. >> >> To answer Sean: >> "- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think >> Farke got the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the >> way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?- >> Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and >> then watch them pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring >> of playing down the left rather than the right for the vast majority of >> attempted attacks?" >> >> No I (we!) don't, but I'm sure that DF was more frightened about losing >> than about not winning and any money he sent his team out with that in >> mind. Frustrating though it is (and watch DF shouting at the spare ref at >> the end...) you can surely understand that. Let's just hope that DF >> realises that faint hearts never won fair maidens and that he also knows >> that success as a Leeds manager is binary. To be honest, there'll be a big >> question mark against him if we don't go up as Champions even if we're 2nd >> or we win the play offs. >> >> I think that DF has been brilliant, and I love this team. I want them to >> succeed and I think they will. But Sean's prognosis of a missed promotion >> is spot on and we've got to accept that we're not all as optimistic as me >> :) >> >> Damian >> >>> Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 17:40, Paul Cundell <p...@cundell.com> a écrit : >>> >>> What an utter rewriting of history! >>> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under >>> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man >>> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 >> games. >>> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse >>> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs! >>> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to >>> then. >>> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we >>> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being >>> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, >> in >>> case you can't remember. >>> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what >> we >>> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod. >>> Cheer up and enjoy the ride. >>> Paul >>> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com, <seanscr...@aol.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Paul, >>>> >>>> None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a >>>> weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to >>> sell >>>> if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the >>>> second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down >> who >>>> have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, >>> but >>>> being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an >>>> autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.") >>>> >>>> Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from >> some >>>> other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for >> Leeds >>>> United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier >>> League >>>> - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or >> finish >>>> in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I >>>> remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after >>>> watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach >> about >>>> how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little >>> did >>>> I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory >> or >>>> nothing. >>>> >>>> Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed >>>> with a terrific squad. >>>> >>>> To the folks who replied to my email: >>>> >>>> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection? >>>> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right >>> yesterday? >>>> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every >> time >>>> before we attacked them? >>>> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and >> Rodon, >>>> and then watch them pass between themselves? >>>> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than >>> the >>>> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks? >>>> >>>> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can >> only >>>> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked. >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell < >>>> p...@cundell.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Have you been watching the same season as me? >>>> "One long slow motion car crash"? >>>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year. >>>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded >> that. >>>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch. >>>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August. >>>> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team >>>> could end up on over 100 points. >>>> SMFH. >>>> Marching On TOGETHER! >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist < >>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds >> manager >>> in >>>>> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of >> the >>>> most >>>>> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest >>>> winger >>>>> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during >>>>> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, >> to >>>>> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and >>>> again >>>>> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the >>>> opportunity >>>>> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and >> forth >>>>> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves >>> set >>>>> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening. >>>>> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and >>>>> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole >> tactical >>>>> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all >> the >>>>> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out >> of >>>>> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and >> midfielders >>>> were >>>>> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, >>> who >>>>> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather >>> than >>>>> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire >>> evident. >>>>> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to >>> delay >>>>> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was >>> he >>>>> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and >> uninterested, >>>> and >>>>> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a >>>>> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime >> or >>>>> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke >>> going >>>>> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of >>>>> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I >> acknowledge >>>> that >>>>> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the >> start >>> of >>>>> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. >>> And >>>>> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday >>>> being >>>>> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at >> this >>>>> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being >>> scouted >>>> by >>>>> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's >>>>> second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment. >>>>> This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my >> friends >>>> and >>>>> family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in >> the >>>>> playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable >>>>> outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United. >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH < >>>>> damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the >>> ball. >>>> A >>>>> mild grinding of teeth will have to do :) >>>>> >>>>> If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to >>> provoke >>>>> something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every >> time. >>>>> >>>>> However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into >>> each >>>>> other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was >>>>> indeed annoying. >>>>> >>>>> As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"? >>>>> Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely >>>>> ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave >> them >>> an >>>>> extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd >> half >>>>> stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never >>> came. >>>>> It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch >>>> them >>>>> do something"... >>>>> >>>>> Damian >>>>> >>>>> Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist < >>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org >>>>>> >>>>> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a >>> pretty >>>>>> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look >> knackered, >>>> and >>>>>> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some >> really >>>>>> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their >> constant >>>>> losing >>>>>> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last >>>>> night. I >>>>>> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, >> despite >>>> that >>>>>> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never >> really >>>>> looked >>>>>> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside >>>> from a >>>>>> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a >>>> Leeds >>>>>> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a >>> high >>>>> and >>>>>> bag a couple soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - >>>>> avoiding >>>>>> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the >>>> back >>>>>> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we >> tried, >>>> but >>>>> to >>>>>> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a >>>>>> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for? >>>>>> >>>>>> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on >> we >>>> go. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the >>>>> play-offs >>>>>> are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been >> a >>>>> great >>>>>> season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and >> put >>>>>> Blackburn away on Satdi! >>>>>> >>>>>> MOT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in >>> the >>>>>> starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and >>> possibly >>>>>> Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower >> to >>>> the >>>>>> loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less >>>> movement >>>>>> for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All >>> the >>>>>> things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad >> players >>>> all >>>>>> of a sudden. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s >> reckoning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four >> games >>>> to >>>>>> go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just >> one >>> of >>>>>> them will do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Onto Saturday then. 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