Carolyn, that sounds interesting. My ancestors and connections to the
side are AU, NZ, England Wales Scotland Ireland. There are very
peripheral USA, Canada, South Africa.
Currently, my use of sources is primitive. I’m not using SourceWriter
(though I thought I should be).
It raises the question to me how difficult it will be to convert my
‘basic’ source entries to SourceWriter. I will check out Help.
Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
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But you can create your own source templates using the basic system.
I have a set that works well for New Zealand, Australian, UK records.
Developed as the source writer system is way to US centric (long
winded) for my records.
Carolyn
On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cathy Pinner <genea...@gmail.com
<mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ian,
It's not possible to make your own SourceWriter templates. This
has been asked for, but for some reason rejected.
Another tip for UK records. Anything at the The National Archives
can be sourced using a Census template that has the relevant
fields for the Department code and series number in the Master
Source and a field for the piece number in the Source Detail.
I add folio and page to the piece box as well to follow TNA
citation style. In this detail Elizabeth Shown Mills seems to
break her principles of keeping a reference together. I haven't
seen the latest editions of her work to see if she's amended her
English Census models.
Cathy
Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 7:07 AM
Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.
Or – does anyone know whether Legacy’s SourceWriter Templates
created by others for their specific purpose are
“transferrable”? That is, are they a separate named file on
the creator’s disk, which could be uploaded to a site where
others might download and then install into their Legacy
system on their computer?
If that is a possibility, in effect, a Legacy community
resource could be created.
I’m not sure whether the format of SourceWriter has changed,
from v8 (or before?) to v9 of Legacy.
Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com
<mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>>
Monday, 24 April 2017 2:12 AM
Cathy,
Thank you for your quick and helpful reply.
You seem to have found a way to record non US sources in
Legacy that would work for me. One of my concerns was possibly
having a different Master Source for every church. If I
understand your two examples correctly you have some Master
Sources for individual churches and some for a central
depository depending on where you sourced the information.
Rather than have a mix I think I will start off my baptism
Master Sources using a central depository (SWHT/Parochial
Church Council/Findmypast), understanding that nothing works
for ever. I have overlooked marriage banns in the past because
I didn't know what to do with them. Now you have given me
direction.
Wouldn't it be great if Millenia provided add on packages that
covered the different methods of recording in various
countries at different times, but that would be a daunting
task I'm sure.
Thanks again,
Barry Godbeer
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:56 PM, Cathy Pinner
<genea...@gmail.com <mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Barry,
Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The
records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in
Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books >
created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) >
and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the
Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at
the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some
online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both
sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust &
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could
have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan
Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.
So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon,
England); Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre,
Exeter.
and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages
1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of
William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South
West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast,
Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that
particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I
look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record
their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you
can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and
probably now the online images.
The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the
actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have
one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and
record number from the register etc
Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset,
England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3
baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and
Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre,
Dorchester.
Does that help?
Cathy
Barry Godbeer wrote:
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Sunday, 23 April 2017 9:55 AM
Barry,
Church Records include Baptisms, Burials and Marriages. The
records are recorded in Church Registers or "record books" in
Legacy speak.
So you're looking for Church records > Church record books >
created at local level (parish, congregation, meeting, etc) >
and then the format you've used. I've chosen to use the
Microfilm/fiche rather than online images as I've seem some at
the Archives on microfilm in a rare visit to England and some
online.
I use the Film ID in the Master Source to acknowledge both
sources: eg: Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust &
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast
I actually make a Master Source for each church but I could
have instead chosen to make a Master Source for each Archive.
In my case: Dorset History Centre, the London Metropolitan
Archives, etc.
I learn where the registers actually are arc hived.
So one Master Source reads: St Margaret (Topsham, Devon,
England); Images courtesy of South West Heritage Trust and
Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast, Devon Heritage Centre,
Exeter.
and a source citation:
St Margaret (Topsham, Devon, England), "Marriages
1417A/PR/1/15 1837-1881," Page 1, No 1 1837 marriage of
William Harris & Rebecca Mawditt; Images courtesy of South
West Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council & FindMyPast,
Devon Heritage Centre, Exeter.
This "1417A/PR/1/15" is the Archive reference for that
particular register. If it's not obvious on the online site, I
look at the Archive catalogue and find it and also record
their microfilm number, if any is given. At the archives you
can usually only see parish registers on microfilm - and
probably now the online images.
The Source Detail has a "Title" field for the name of the
actual register ( or church and register if you chose to have
one Master Source for Devon Heritage Centre)
Then one for Item of interest where I record the page and
record number from the register etc
Here's one for Dorset: Saint Lawrence (Folke, Dorset,
England), "Christenings PE/FOL/RE 2/1 1813-1906," p 1, no 3
baptism of George Uppill (1813); Images courtesy DHC and
Ancestry.com; DHC microfilm MIC/R/511, Dorset History Centre,
Dorchester.
Does that help?
Cathy
Barry Godbeer wrote:
Barry Godbeer <mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com
<mailto:b_goodbee...@rogers.com>>
Sunday, 23 April 2017 5:39 AM
I am having a hard time finding the a appropriate Source
Writer for Baptisms in various counties in England and Wales.
The Source Writer for Church Records mentions nothing about
Baptisms, unless I have developed tunnel vision, and it is
there right under my nose.
My OS is Microsoft Vista and my LFT is 8.0.0.598. Must update
computer soon!
As attachments are not allowed I will try to explain my problem.
I have an image of a Baptism, viewed in Findmypast, in the
Parish of Lower Brixham (Devon, England) that has a page
number and an entry number with a reference to South West
Heritage Trust and Parochial Church Council in the left margin.
The transcript, copyright of Findmypast, has, besides the name
of the individual, date of Baptism, father and mother,etc it
list the
location of the Baptism as Brixham, All Saints (not mentioned
on the image), the Archive as South West Heritage Trust (no
mention of the Parochial Church Council), an archive reference
(1955A/PR/1/1) that makes no mention of the page number or
line number and whose archive reference is it?
For sourcing purposes who holds the original Baptism document,
the Parochial Church Council, South West Heritage Trust or
Findmypast? Only the South West Heritage Trust and Findmypast
have URLs. In years to come which of the three will still be
around?
Do I select Source Writer>Church Records>Church Record
Books>created at local level (parish, congregation, meetings,
etc and do I do the best I can with that? The Source Detail
related to this Master Source is not very informative.
To date I have not attached any images or transcripts to any
sources or citations which might help complete the picture of
the source, but that's another To Do Task.
So does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone with ancestors
in England come up with a solution that makes sense?
Barry Godbeer
Canada
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