In a message dated 12/01/01 15:02:40 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Johannes Schneider wrote:
>  >In recent postings other organisations have been referred to as being
>  >'centrist'. Though especially in Trotskyite circles this is a very popular
>  >attribute given to political (mostly other Trotskyites) adversaries, as a
>  >moderator I would like to point out, that this kind of lingo is not
>  >particularly encouraged on L-I. Rather than using just a shorthand, I 
would
>  >prefer to see an example and an explanation what is meant in detail and 
let
>  >the reader come to its own conclusion.

>  Louis Proyect
>  Trotsky called centrists, like the POUM allegedly, revolutionary in word
>  and reformist in deed. I personally identify with the centrist current and
>  think that Marxism can learn much from a group like the POUM. Basically the
>  POUM-ists broke with the FI because they felt it was a hindrance to being
>  rooted in the Spanish class struggle. Looking at the sorry record of the
>  official Trotskyist group in Spain, it looks like they hit the nail on the
>  head. Of course they adapted to the reformists, but affiliation with the FI
>  was no cure for that. Such affiliation would only guarantee the purism of a
>  church.
>  
>  I also identify strongly with the forces in the world Communist movement
>  who questioned the wisdom of the 21 points of the Comintern. If Marxism had
>  heeded their advice, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.
>  
>  Louis Proyect

Centrism is a concept that is immensely important, nay, absolutely essential, 
to  genuine Marxism today if we are to build a new revolutionary workers 
International. This International will probably be called the Fifth 
International.

This chameleon phenomenon, centrism, must be understood in all its 
variations, by the leadership that eventually renews a genuine Marxism, in 
theory and practice, at the quality, or above, with which Lenin and Trotsky 
in general applied Marxism in their days.

Rosa Luxemburg was the first to use this term in any modern sense of the word 
at a time when Lenin failed in understanding what Kautsky was, before 1914. 
Revisionism was in fact an earlier term, much less scientific understanding 
of centrist wavering.

Of course Lenin, and later the Comintern before Lenin's death, took up the 
term in a much more scientific manner - and it appears in numerous documents 
of the early Comintern, that is, before it collapsed into centrism itself.

It was then left to Leon Trotsky to further develop this concept, as he 
historically traced the actual changes in the centrist phenomenon, of Kautsky 
centrism, bureaucratic centrism of a Stalinist origin, centrism of a mass 
reformist origin, the petrified centrism of small sectarian grouplets, etc. 

Use of this concept enabled Trotsky to know the point at which the Communist 
International had definitely gone over from centrism to counter-revolutionary 
reformism, with Hitler taking power in Germany in 1933. Likewise, today, we 
can see another type of centrism of a Stalinist origin has emerged, following 
the collapse of the Soviet Union - and indeed, added to the complexity of 
Trotskyist centrism today, the concept has become even more complex.

Unfortunately, as comrade Johannes points out, this term, now used mostly by 
a few Trotskyist groups, has become a swear word, a term normally of abuse, 
and it is better when labelling comrades or groups as 'centrist', to in fact 
detail which specific arena's of criticism, inadequacy, of sectarianism or 
opportunism, we are referring to.

You see comrades, none of the Trotskyist groups who use this term, use it in 
a scientific manner. Indeed for it to be used in this way, we have to 
understand the most basic, the most essential contradiction in its essence; 
that is, centrism wavers between reform and revolution. It means in fact, 
that when there is no relatively consistent, all-rounded genuine Marxist 
organisation - when there is no revolutionary pole of attraction to which all 
the best sincere revolutionaries would gravitate - then where is the material 
base of the revolutionary side of the wavering between reform and revolution. 
It exists not as a material force, but as an historically derived aspiration. 
And wishful thinking is not much of a material force.

To understand this a Marxist must grasp the one fundamental of Marxist 
philosophy; must understand Marx's 'Thesis on Feuerbach', or Lenin's 
'Materialism & Empirio Criticism'; must know deeply that deeds expose the 
truth behind words, as being determines consciousness; must know the Marxist 
theory of knowledge. 

For in fact, for any 'Trotskyist' or 'Stalinist' today to be correctly 
labelled 'left centrist' - if it came from a genuine Marxist (which I doubt 
exists) this would indeed be a compliment of the highest order. 

Though I would characterise myself as objectively 'centrist' today, and for 
the last 23 years as a subjective revolutionary, the term used in public is 
of very little help in clarifying matters - as there is no genuine pole of 
revolutionary attraction against which to measure centrism. Indeed, myself 
and many others on this list would no longer be centrists if such a pole 
existed, because we would join that revolutionary pole of attraction, and 
become objectively revolutionary.

However, for those most able revolutionaries today who are going to be 
building that genuine mass international party, and this will consist largely 
of youth; these cadre must deeply understand and know this concept inside 
out, must learn about it in every day activity, as with "finger exercises for 
a good pianist" - to paraphrase Trotsky. We must grasp this phenomenon in all 
its existing complexities and constant changes - for the revolutionary party 
will be made out of centrists becoming genuine Marxists, qualitatively 
improving.

It is entirely possible, nay necessary, to learn from centrists, especially 
like the POUM, but does Louis Proyect really want to stay in that mish-mash 
of political confusion? Or is it just an emotional response to their bravery 
and general anti-Stalinist approach to life. Explain yourself comrade.

from a self-declared and unashamed centrist, but one who desperately wants to 
break out of this morass -
        - Steve Myers.

ps - in Trotsky's Writings, 1933-34, comrades will find some wonderful 
articles, the best to date we have that define a living centrism. His 
writings on this obviously need updating though.

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