Yep, that's the sad truth. Yosem
On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steven Clift <cl...@e-democracy.org> wrote: > Quickly now ... I've been building an open source-based, public > creative commons structured, non-profit, members-supported > citizens-based network for twenty-years. > > Here is the sad truth: > > 1. The general public doesn't care ... enough anyway, they want online > spaces that work for them - the more familiar the better > 2. People who support this model in theory don't donate, foundations > mostly just give freedom lip service online or fund elites > 3. The technologists who could build out the open source tool we use don't > help > 4. The resistance by most people to signing up for anything new makes > it almost impossible to serve new communities > 5. The economic and social diversity of people we can reach via > Facebook is far more inclusive than on our own platform > 6. We do generate donations from our neighborhood participants, and > much less so from our forums that are about political city and > state-wide politics, but all the venture money in NextDoor and their > gated community model is finally eroding our public model where we've > been strongest (I'll take an "open" Facebook Group any day over the > NextDoor connect all the wealthier homeowners model any day!) > > So, if you value the power people get in democracy from connecting > with each other for two-way conversations, you need to reach them > where they are. > > When it comes to Facebook, I've concluded that shaping it for good, > for more local online group formation in public life (my big passion), > will generate more democratic value than ignoring it. > > Thanks, > Steve > Steven Clift - Executive Director, E-Democracy.org > cl...@e-democracy.org - +1 612 234 7072 > @democracy - http://linkedin.com/in/netclift > http://1radionews.com - My radio app > > > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Yosem Companys <compa...@stanford.edu> wrote: >> I know. I agree. >> >> I have never been thrilled with Steven's selection of Facebook for >> pro-democracy groups. >> >> To protect your privacy and security, stay off Facebook. >> >> But, to build movements, create an account on Facebook (or Twitter or any >> other dominant centralized social network) and try to get as many people to >> join. >> >> One vision we had on Diaspora was to create a HootSuite like app that would >> integrate all of your social networking sites on one dashboard and enable >> you to decide how public you wanted to be. You wanted to connect with a >> friend? You could do it directly from your own server to your friend's own >> server without an intermediary. You wanted to advertise something more >> broadly on Facebook or Twitter? You could do that too. Unfortunately, >> Diaspora never moved away from its pod focus to build a better HootSuite. >> >> On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cristina [efecto99] <efect...@riseup.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> On 17/02/17 17:24, Thomas Delrue wrote: >>> >>> On February 17, 2017 1:32:46 PM EST, Steven Clift <cl...@e-democracy.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I invite everyone to read and comment on Mark Zuckerberg's important >>> "Building Global Community" letter: >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/buildingglobalcommunity >>> >>> This is a special Facebook Group I've created to connect lots of >>> disparate communities for a unified conversation that I will share >>> with my contacts at Facebook. >>> >>> You'll find a link to his letter and posts organized by the five key >>> questions Mark asks and posts to share media reports and more: >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/buildingglobalcommunity/permalink/502366400151315/ >>> >>> Or jump straight to his letter: http://po.st/zuckglobal >>> >>> Also, while I don't have my first tele meeting with a foundation on >>> this until next week, now seems like a good time to share >>> E-Democracy's draft proposal for Local Civic Facebook Groups: >>> http://po.st/civicfacebookgroupsgoogledoc >>> >>> Zuckerberg's letter highlights the absolutely vital role of "engaged >>> leaders" creating "meaningful groups." E-Democracy's magic mix is >>> supporting YOU - those leaders - in local communities working to >>> create local community and civic life Facebook Groups that foster >>> inclusive and supportive local online communities that foster civic >>> engagement and informed communities. So, if you want to add your city >>> to the list of the 22 cities with volunteer interest, email me - >>> cl...@e-democracy.org - with "Civic Facebook Groups" in the subject >>> line. We drafted most of this proposal in December, so we are ecstatic >>> that Facebook's next mission is so well aligned with our scrappy work. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Steven Clift >>> E-Democracy.org >>> >>> P.S. You can jump in deeper now (we are just getting started): >>> >>> "Facebook guy tells world it needs to use more Facebook or face bad >>> times", is that roughly the right summary of his 'insights' or am I way >>> off? >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas >>> (Sent from my mobile device, please forgive brevity or typos.) >>> >>> It seems as a joke if wouldn't be posted HERE, on *Liberation tech* >>> mailing list: since when Facebook serves to the liberation of people!? I >>> must be reading a lot of fake news about Facebook the last....5 years? (and >>> i think I'm getting short). >>> >>> So funny... >>> >>> My 1st impulse to answer this email was to simply put: >>> >>> One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, >>> One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them >>> In the Land of Mordor Surveillance where the Shadows lie. >>> >>> 99 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Esta comunicación puede ser legal y/o ilegalmente recogida, almacenada y >>> utilizada por distintos actores. 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