On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Alex Rousskov wrote: > > When people make non-free derivatives they are "taking from me > > without paying" in the same way as "software pirates" are claimed to > > of non-free software. > > Exactly. And in the same way you did not pay Newton or Dekart for what > you are "taking from them without paying".
Why are you trying to confuse works for which their copyright has expired and are in the public domain, and works under copyright from those who try to use royalty-free copyright licenses in ways that seek economic rewards other than monopoly rents? These are two entirely unrelated concepts you are trying to equate. > > The main feature of a BSD-like (non-copyleft) license is that it allows > > non-free derivatives. > > It is one of the side-effects. Talking about copyleft and non-copyleft Free Software (using term as defined by the FSF) without reference to non-Free Software is like talking about weight without reference to the concepts of gravity or mass. These are not side effects we are talking about. I realize you and I don't agree about the sustainability of the "software manufacturing" methodologies and business models, but lets not get too biased to entirely exclude the viewpoints of others ;-) When you take my copyleft Free Software and make a non-free derivative it is the same (legally, morally, etc) as if I took your non-free software without your permission, sold many copies of it for a profit, and never paid you a cent in royalties. I may not agree with your choice to use monopoly rent seeking "manufacturing era" business models, but I don't go around claiming that your business model doesn't exist or that royalty payments are only a "side effect" of your choice of licensing. I certainly don't go around infringing your copyright for profit, and if I don't like your business model I just don't use your software. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> "Make it legal: don't litigate, use creative licensing" campaign. A modern answer to P2P: http://www.flora.ca/makelegal200403.shtml Canadian File-sharing Legal Information Network http://www.canfli.org/ -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3