On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote: > > On 2/5/20, 7:40 AM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of David Kastrup" > <mailto:lilypond-devel-bounces+c_sorensen=byu....@gnu.org on behalf of mailto:d...@gnu.org> > wrote: > > Mike Solomon <mailto:m...@meeshkan.com> writes: > > > Janek Warchoł <mailto:janek.lilyp...@gmail.com> writes: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik <mailto:d...@gnu.org> napisał: > >> > >>> What problem are we trying to solve here? > >>> > >> > >> In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give you > >> specific > >> examples) that having code of conduct encourages contributions from > >> newcomers. > > > >> I rather think that a friendly atmosphere encourages contributions > >> from newcomers. Whether an upfront requirement to commit to a set > >> of rules with an enforcement team is perceived as a guarantee of a > >> friendly atmosphere is debatable. > > > > I personally would feel more comfortable if there were a code of > > conduct, and I know within my company one employee will not attend a > > conference or participate in a project unless there is a code of > > conduct. I don't have any hard stats to prove this, but have a gut > > feeling that a code of conduct opens more doors than it closes. > > My gut feeling is the opposite. Upon reading the Code of Conduct, it felt to me > like it was proposing a private channel for a mean-spirited passive-aggressive > person to wreak havoc on the community. > > Now, I do not feel like we have any such individuals in our community. So in > the best of all possible worlds, there is no harm to a code of conduct. But in > the best of all possible worlds, there is also no need for a code of conduct. > > In the worst of all worlds, the lack of a Code of Conduct can lead to individual > bullying. In the worst of all worlds, a Code of Conduct can lead to systematic > bullying, where an anonymous complainer gets the weight of a bureaucracy behind > the bullying. > > I don't believe we have the worst of all worlds. I don't believe that any > individual behind the proposal for the Code of Conduct has anything but the best > intentions. I want to see the LilyPond community be a friendly, welcoming place > for all. I believe that it largely is a friendly, welcoming place for all. > > For me, personally, I find the Code of Conduct approach with its implied threat > (if you don't obey, we'll punish you -- in fact, we've spelled out the > punishments in the document) to be much less friendly than a public statement > that we value an open, respectful, and friendly environment and we call on all > to participate in it. The Code of Conduct approach feels like taking a > sledgehammer to squash a fly.
A statement about community values would be an excellent idea, but channels for reporting and meting out punishment? This makes me uncomfortable. And is this really such a large organization that we have room for committees? https://codereview.appspot.com/575620043/